Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[drumdude]

... [Rosebud’s] claims of sexual abuse would be taken without question.

Oh, believe you me a lot of people see that for what it is, unless of course he copped to it.

- Doc

Most women don't make false accusations. And I wouldn't expect most women to have hard evidence when sexual abuse does occur which obviously makes proving it incredibly difficult. So I think back then Anne should have been believed by default, before she was found to be making up stories.

[Kishkumen]

I don’t think Rosebud is wrong in believing that John Dehlin engaged in an inappropriate relationship with her. I just believe that she only decided not to consent to that relationship until a couple of months after it was over. I don’t think that kind of opportunistic abuse of sexual harassment should be awarded with anything but derision and chastisement. Rosebud actually harms the quest to achieve equality and fair treatment by transparently abusing the concept of sexual harassment in order to get revenge.

[The Stig]

JPatterson: what specific language do you and Rosebud want to hear from John in order to drop this public shaming exercise?

I posted publicly a week or two ago and have said repeatedly on Reddit that Open Stories Foundation should fund an independent investigation, an idea which now has broad appeal here among people on various sides of the debate.

To what end? What do you expect to come of that, at this point? Do you think John will be fired (again)? Do you think Rosebud will be reinstated? Seriously, it's clearly just a vendetta-seeking activity and there is no way you will get the current board of Open Stories Foundation to oblige when there is no outcome which will result in a remedy to a 10 year old complaint that is incredibly muddy.

[Kishkumen]

To what end? What do you expect to come of that, at this point? Do you think John will be fired (again)? Do you think Rosebud will be reinstated? Seriously, it's clearly just a vendetta-seeking activity and there is no way you will get the current board of Open Stories Foundation to oblige when there is no outcome which will result in a remedy to a 10 year old complaint that is incredibly muddy.

They are just looking for someone to give them the result they want. They want someone to go on record telling John Dehlin and Open Stories Foundation that they obviously really screwed up years ago. I think we all know that they did screw up in multiple ways in 2011-12. One of them had an affair with Rosebud. Then they hired Rosebud. Then they underestimated her capacity for obsessive revenge seeking.

[jpatterson]

I posted publicly a week or two ago and have said repeatedly on Reddit that Open Stories Foundation should fund an independent investigation, an idea which now has broad appeal here among people on various sides of the debate.

To what end? What do you expect to come of that, at this point? Do you think John will be fired (again)? Do you think Rosebud will be reinstated? Seriously, it's clearly just a vendetta-seeking activity and there is no way you will get the current board of Open Stories Foundation to oblige when there is no outcome which will result in a remedy to a 10 year old complaint that is incredibly muddy.

Clearly.

[consiglieri]

JPatterson: what specific language do you and Rosebud want to hear from John in order to drop this public shaming exercise?

I posted publicly a week or two ago and have said repeatedly on Reddit that Open Stories Foundation should fund an independent investigation, an idea which now has broad appeal here among people on various sides of the debate.

James Patterson,

You have been asked repeatedly now by multiple posters what Rosebud wants JD to say or do that will satisfy her and put this nightmare behind her.

You have studiously refused to answer this question.

Some might get the idea Rosebud is not answering because there is nothing that would satisfy her.

That her vendetta is it’s own reason for being.

[Kishkumen]

Well, in any case, I offer my best wishes to Rosebud in all of her other endeavors. I remember those times when she posted on the old board on topics other than John Dehlin. It was nice. Her posts were good reading. May you find healing and professional fulfillment, Rosebud. I honestly wish you all the very best in spite of my disagreement with you in this one area.

[consiglieri]

“You’re a better man than I am, Kishku Men!”

[Dr Moore]

JPatterson: what specific language do you and Rosebud want to hear from John in order to drop this public shaming exercise?

I posted publicly a week or two ago and have said repeatedly on Reddit that Open Stories Foundation should fund an independent investigation, an idea which now has broad appeal here among people on various sides of the debate.

You continue to dodge the question and now you've invented an entirely new definition of what "accountability" looks like. You're acting like an angry plaintiff who never commits to a specific allegation or asks for a specific remedy. I'm done with your nonsense. John is right to mostly ignore you and Rosebud. So is Open Stories Foundation. Your vendetta and reinvention of failure into victimhood is as transparent as it is pathetic. You're on my ignore list, from now on, fyi.

[jpatterson]

I posted publicly a week or two ago and have said repeatedly on Reddit that Open Stories Foundation should fund an independent investigation, an idea which now has broad appeal here among people on various sides of the debate.

James Patterson,

You have been asked repeatedly now by multiple posters what Rosebud wants John Dehlin to say or do that will satisfy her and put this nightmare behind her.

You have studiously refused to answer this question.

Some might get the idea Rosebud is not answering because there is nothing that would satisfy her.

That her vendetta is it’s own reason for being.

For a lawyer, you sure make a lot of stupid assumptions.