Nelsons daughter and son-in-law accused of sex abuse

[_cinepro]

Account by grandmother of children in Group 1:

http://www.restoreourhumanity.org/files/ABlipHere.pdf

I'm sorry, but once Barbara Snow's name appears on page 6, all credibility just goes out the windows.

I believe Bill Carstensen was molesting kids, but once the story turns to "baby tenders" and a ring of molesters, I start to get very skeptical.

[_Rosebud]

Account by grandmother of children in Group 1:

http://www.restoreourhumanity.org/files/ABlipHere.pdf

I'm sorry, but once Barbara Snow's name appears on page 6, all credibility just goes out the windows.

I believe Bill Carstensen was molesting kids, but once the story turns to "baby tenders" and a ring of molesters, I start to get very skeptical.

Why is that? What actions were taken to discredit Barbara Snow and by whom? What incentives might there have been for discrediting her?

[_Rosebud]

The lawsuit:
Https://lm.Facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3 ... QUgsNc8gsI

Petition for dismissal:
https://lm.Facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3 ... VUECy9LRDQ

The lawsuit names a lot of John and Jane Does.

The petition to dismiss uses names and the discredited name of "Barbara Snow."

How has sensationalized media been used to discredit victims in the past?

To what extent is this a battle for public opinion?

How has recent sensationalized media on the subject of child abuse possibly contributed to the creation of a public context in which the defendants would decide that naming names to discredit victims and those who have supported them is the best defense at present?

What are the benefits vs. harms of sensationalized media?

Whom does sensationalized media really benefit?

Whom does sensationalized media most harm?

[_Rosebud]

Is "Satanic Ritual Abuse" itself a sensationalization?

If so, whom would this sensationalization most benefit, and why?

And whom would it most harm? Why?

What incentives would a perpetrator have to behave sensationally?

[_Rosebud]

What sort of secondary trauma might a social worker experience when first encountering such sensational reports?

What is it fair to realistically expect from a social worker in these circumstances? Perfection?

What sort of courage would be required from a social worker after hearing these sensational reports?

What would most social workers do? What might we be able to assume about the characters of a social worker who might take the "grassy road" that "wanted wear"? (https://m.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/road-not-taken)

If we can say Barbara Snow took a grassy road, what were the consequences for her? Is she still paying them, even now? Does she deserve accolades or dishonor? Who deserves more respect: the public martyr who receives accolades or a social worker whose reputation is destroyed?

Again, what incentives would perpetrators have to behave sensationally?

[Guest]

I'm sorry, but once Barbara Snow's name appears on page 6, all credibility just goes out the windows.

It's an established fact that the plaintiffs were horrifically abused. So they do have credibility already. They included children of the same man, first when he was married to one Group One's mother, then the children from a subsequent marriage.

So, the church was intimately involved with handling the pedophile father when they knew the allegations of the first children. Then, he received medical treatment. Later he married the second woman and they had the children from Group Two. This woman was never warned by church officials that her husband had a history of active pedophilia. He was a member in good standing.

Thus it appears that the church acted irresponsibly in connection to the pedophile father, resulting in him being able to remarry and abuse again. It appears that the church was motivated to protect this man because of the Miles connection.

So, there is something here, regardless of Barbara Snow's involvement. There is the existence of sexual abuse and church protection of a predator. If the church had excommunicated him, his ability to continue abuse through church connections would have been reduced or eliminated.

[_Meadowchik]

Here is a better link to the complaint:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-BRx2s ... 1p2fC/view

[_Rosebud]

I hope Barbara Snow writes a memoir -- now she really can.

It's a rare life experience to be used as a media target for the purpose of discrediting child sexual abuse victims.

This woman has a head on her. Rare.

[_Rosebud]

Online reviews of Barbara Snow:

Please look up how Barbara Snow has contributed to the Satanic panic. She also treated her own family members, in whom she implanted false memories of military programming and abuse. For this she agreed to go on probation from practice. She clearly is not abstaining from practice because this. I'd recommend a therapist without a criminal record.

Dr. Snow has been one of the few doctors willing to work with survivors of organized abuse, and not abandon us during a period of public skepticism. As seen recently in Pennsylvania, even people in trusted positions have been involved in coordinated misconduct. In recommending her, I feel it would be important to bring out the fact that extreme abuse can no longer be passed off.

There are other common misunderstandings of the contexts Dr. Snow specializes in. You might hear the term "Satanic Panic" used by detractors of her work. "Satanic Panic" is a sensational label which downplays a period of public awareness that occurred in our country. We became aware of very real and devastating abuse that can happen in groups of people using beliefs of western Christian religions for control and exploitation. Organized abuse can happen, and does happen, in groups that operate on the side of many institutions. Not just religions that believe in Satan.

Dissociation of severe abuse within families also occurs. It is a sad fact, and it may be advisable to consider having some amount of separation until traumas can be healed. Barbara has been a therapist who is willing to have hard conversations, work with these heartbreaking cases, and enable the victim in making their own choice that may save them psychologically.

When I was a child, there was only one person that cared enough to ask me about the abuse they suspected in my home. They pursued it with me up to a point, but I had been conditioned to keep it quiet. If they would have asked me just one more time, I would have felt confident enough to tell them what was happening to me. I would encourage those who are studying Dr. Snow's work to read her research entitled "How Children Tell."

There has been plenty of misinformation posted about events during Dr. Snow's tenure as a professional. A perpetrator who was exposed went to great lengths to have the Department of Public Licencing scrutinize some pro bono work she had done. Because of the heinous nature of crimes against children, there has been more than one guilty party that has found ways to pressure and discredit her to cover up their guilt.

Fortunately, we are at a period of time when those who abuse and exploit can be exposed through public outcry, and we are at a period of time when abusers efforts at concealment through intimidation can no longer work.

I know that people who wrote negative reviews have experienced a great deal of pain in their families, because I have been there. But those who are reflecting on their time with Dr. Snow through a negative lens may be 'shooting the messenger' and misdirecting their anger. A Doctor who ran the first child trauma treatment center in Utah would have the ability to see the signs of trauma in children they were treating. Child social workers see abuses of children we could not imagine, and when you see situations like that you would not be pursuing your own agenda.

I was willing to take the time to write this review because of the fact that I was on the edge before I worked with Dr. Snow, and after much searching, I providentially found her. I can say that under her care I have been able to begin to recover, stabilize, and be enabled to raise my own children in a stable home - and I am so very grateful for that.

Dr. Snow is the Dissociative Disorder expert in Utah. She handles a full practice with clients with various psychological challenges, dissociation is simply what she specializes in. She has had more experience in this area than any other therapist locally. If you have had severe trauma in your past, it may be helpful to your healing to find a therapist who understands dissociation. Real healing can happen under Dr. Snow's care if you are willing to confront dissociated trauma.

I have completed over a year of therapy in Barbara's care, and I feel it would be important to help people know they would find the correct advocate for their healing in Barbara. From the very first appointment, I could tell she understood childhood trauma in an expert way and had a therapeutic manner that was calming and ideal. She can offer diagnosis concisely and competently because of her expertise and experience. Knowing the kind of professional service and dedication she provides it is sad that former clients would write bad reviews, but then it must be understood she is willing to take on those who are troubled with complex histories. She has been one of those people who was willing to fight for children in challenging settings like court cases, where predators were convinced by a court of law. She is sincere and trust-able and I have great respect for her work.

So what the hell is going on?

[_moksha]

Is "Satanic Ritual Abuse" itself a sensationalization?

Yes. Drop the Satanic stuff and depending on the locale, perhaps consider calling it Mormanic Mating Misunderstandings.