Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Kukulkan]

hit them in the head with a skateboard

That is not true. Fake news right there.

Would attempting to kick someone in the head

He was 39 at the time, not 30. Muscle strength declines after 30. And your words are very misleading.

The man known as "jump kick man" during the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse is 39-year-old Maurice Freeland of Wisconsin, defense attorneys revealed to Fox News Thursday. A video played at trial appears to show Freeland running at Rittenhouse and kicking him shortly after the teenager shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenh ... n-revealed

or point a gun at them count?

I need evidence showing that Joseph Rosenbaum was trying to seriously hurt Rittenhouse.

I suggest you watch this video. https://youtu.be/VpTW2AJE9MQ at minute 19:48 we see jump kick man kick Kyle and immediately after Huber run up and simultaneously hit Kyle in the head with his skateboard and reach for his gun.

I can't tell if you are bad faith because a kick from anyone while on the ground to the head could result in serious injury.

Let's say you are arguing with someone. Words are exchanged. That person suddenly starts running at you and as you try to run away they continue to pursue you. What's the most reasonable assumption as to why they are pursuing you? To give you a hug? Handshake? Kiss?

In the case of Rosenbaum I think it's most reasonable to assume that he was pursuing Kyle initially and even after Kyle began to retreat because his intent was to cause Kyle great bodily harm or even death. Wouldn't you say so?

[Kukulkan]

Any evidence that Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber were trying to seriously hurt Rittenhouse?

I don't think we can have an effective debate until you understand the basic facts of the events that occurred.

[Binger]

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[Kukulkan]

I suggest you watch this video. https://youtu.be/VpTW2AJE9MQ at minute 19:48 we see jump kick man kick Kyle and immediately after Huber run up and simultaneously hit Kyle in the head with his skateboard and reach for his gun.

Even better, watch the videos as they were shown to the jury before deliberations. They begin at the 1:34:00 mark. Second scene detail is at 1:56

https://youtu.be/xOEyzPJgwZI

The moment you are describing is after Mr. Rittenhouse had been hit in the head by a fist and then by a skateboard which he partially deflected. This version also has the video from Mr. Grosskreutz phone. Mr. Huber does not reach for the gun, he grabs it. The muzzle of the gun is pulled toward Huber's chest, by Huber, and then discharged by Mr. Rittenhouse. At the moment of the discharge, the strap of the gun was stretched and the force of the pull may have pulled Mr. Rittenhouse from the pavement. That was Mr. Huber's third F around before he found out.

It is unlikely that any of the recommend-holding members of the one true ideology will watch the trial video if they can watch a video from the New York Times instead.

2:03:33 is a chilling view of Mr. Grosskreutz approaching with his finger on his Glock trigger. The jury had these videos during deliberation.

Thank you for this crucial further context.

[Binger]

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[canpakes]

Let's say you are arguing with someone. Words are exchanged. That person suddenly starts running at you and as you try to run away they continue to pursue you. What's the most reasonable assumption as to why they are pursuing you? To give you a hug? Handshake? Kiss?

If not that, then is ‘kill’ the only other choice?

Is a punch always ‘great bodily injury’?

Can every physical altercation fit the description of possibly inflicting ‘great bodily injury or death’?

Can we kill anyone just for punching? Just for running at someone? Seems that this is going to be problematic down the road, if so - not just for the folks involved in any dispute, but for anyone else in the area who might be hit with a stray bullet.

In the case of Rosenbaum I think it's most reasonable to assume that he was pursuing Kyle initially and even after Kyle began to retreat because his intent was to cause Kyle great bodily harm or even death. Wouldn't you say so?

Not necessarily. These are two very separate things.

1. … it's most reasonable to assume that he was pursuing Kyle initially and even after Kyle began to retreat

2. … because his intent was to cause Kyle great bodily harm or even death.

The first item can happen without the second item - another assumption - occurring. Even if Rosenbaum was aggressive or irrational, that isn’t a guaranteed that he wants to kill Rittenhouse.

Rosembaum hectored several other folks that evening. None of them ran off to a secluded spot and then decided that they needed to shoot Rosenbaum.

[Kukulkan]

Let's say you are arguing with someone. Words are exchanged. That person suddenly starts running at you and as you try to run away they continue to pursue you. What's the most reasonable assumption as to why they are pursuing you? To give you a hug? Handshake? Kiss?

If not that, then is ‘kill’ the only other choice?

Is a punch always ‘great bodily injury’?

Can every physical altercation fit the description of possibly inflicting ‘great bodily injury or death’?

Can we kill anyone just for punching? Just for running at someone? Seems that this is going to be problematic down the road, if so - not just for the folks involved in any dispute, but for anyone else in the area who might be hit with a stray bullet.

In the context of legal self defense, yes. If you don't agree with basic self defense law I don't know what else to tell you. You are 100% entitled to the opinion you hold but it does not reflect what legal self defense constitutes in the majority of the USA.

In the case of Rosenbaum I think it's most reasonable to assume that he was pursuing Kyle initially and even after Kyle began to retreat because his intent was to cause Kyle great bodily harm or even death. Wouldn't you say so?

Not necessarily. These are two very separate things.

1. it's most reasonable to assume that he was pursuing Kyle initially and even after Kyle began to retreat

2. … because his intent was to cause Kyle great bodily harm or even death.

The first item can happen without the second item - an assumption - occurring. Even if Rosenbaum was aggressive or irrational, that isn’t a guaranteed that he wants to kill Rittenhouse.

Rosembaum hectored several other folks that evening. None of them ran off to a secluded spot and then decided that they needed to shoot Rosenbaum.

hec·tor
/ˈhektər/
verb
past tense: hectored; past participle: hectored
talk to (someone) in a bullying way.

Hectoring several other folks is vastly different than actually pursuing someone in an aggressive manner. In the eyes of the law there doesn't need to be a guarantee that Rosenbaum was going to cause him great bodily harm or death. It just needs to be a reasonable assumption on Kyle's part. In the context of what happened that night, I think that assumption is more than reasonable. It is the onus of the prosecution to convince the jury that it was beyond a reasonable doubt that Kyle did not actually feel that Rosenbaum or any of the others were not going to cause him great bodily harm or death. I don't think the evidence supports that claim.

[Binger]

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[doubtingthomas]

I suggest you watch this video. https://youtu.be/VpTW2AJE9MQ at minute 19:48 we see jump kick man kick Kyle and immediately after Huber run up and simultaneously hit Kyle in the head with his skateboard and reach for his gun.

Okay. I watched it. If you watch closely Huber didn't hit him in the head with a skateboard, and it is clear Huber tried to disarm him, not kill him. There is no reason to believe Huber was trying to kill or seriously hurt Rittenhouse. Huber was clearly a victim.

According to court records, Huber had a skateboard in his right hand and used it to "make contact" with Rittenhouse's left shoulder as they struggled for control of the gun.

https://abc7ny.com/kyle-rittenhouse-ken ... e/6393801/

Rittenhouse didn't shoot the 39 year old who kicked him in the head. I am not sure why that is relevant.

Let's say you are arguing with someone. Words are exchanged. That person suddenly starts running at you and as you try to run away they continue to pursue you. What's the most reasonable assumption as to why they are pursuing you? To give you a hug? Handshake? Kiss?

The most reasonable assumption is that Huber was trying to disarm him.

[Binger]

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