Shulem Cracked the Book of Mormon Code, the Land of Nephi is now revealed! See for yourself! The Golden Key!

[Philo Sofee]

Your fanciful speculations have gone over the top. I’m a bit surprised you haven’t received some push back. But then again, maybe I shouldn’t be. It may be that you’re not actually serious? You’re just messin’ around and throwing sh** out there?

C’mon Shulem. Let’s keep things reasonable.

I'm absolutely serious, MG. Totally. These speculations are right in line with what one would do *IF* they knew where treasures or ancient relics were located in which to make them famous. In the case of Book of Mormon geography, Smith was all talk and no action. But, he'd run off to Salem in a heartbeat to check on buried treasures on account of rumor and its ten thousand tongues! But, the Book of Mormon geography? Why bother? It was just a story he invented and he knew it.

My speculation is reasonable considering how Smith failed to ACT or discuss anything about where the Nephite temples were located. Smith couldn't have found the Nephites if God himself led him because they never existed. Joseph's God was his own shadow.

Yer gettin to him Shulem..... his shelf is cracking more...

[Shulem]

From where I’m sitting your focus on a fictional Book of Mormon geography is a prime example of where you can't see the forest for the trees at this point. There is so much more to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His Church than Book of Mormon geography.

You may have at least a partial memory of that.

I focus like a laser beam. That helps to empower me.

Gospel of Jesus Christ? I outgrew the childish need to have a Savior spill blood in order to gain Father's forgiveness. To me, blood atonement and rituals of suffering and death to forgive sins is utterly repulsive. The world is moving beyond that as we can see Christianity is fading and become less popular in the world today. Thank God.

[MG 2.0]

Your fanciful speculations have gone over the top. I’m a bit surprised you haven’t received some push back. But then again, maybe I shouldn’t be. It may be that you’re not actually serious? You’re just messin’ around and throwing sh** out there?

C’mon Shulem. Let’s keep things reasonable.



This may sound like a reasonable proclamation to those that inhabit these nether regions, but it sounds absolutely silly to those that inhabit the real world of reason and balance.

Wow. That is brilliant. Not only is mg implying that he inhabits the real world of reason and balance, but that EVERYONE ELSE reading here inhabits "these nether regions." Dude, not only do you regularly post at "these nether regions," but you've clearly indicated that 'reason and balance' are NOT your world.

Nothing against you personally. Seriously. I believe that at this point in your life your reality lets/encourages you say these things without any sort of internal quibble or question.

You really do project far more than you realize.

Expected response.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

Yer gettin to him Shulem..... his shelf is cracking more...

Seriously, I know. I know.

[Marcus]

Yer gettin to him Shulem..... his shelf is cracking more...

: D

[MG 2.0]

Your fanciful speculations have gone over the top. I’m a bit surprised you haven’t received some push back. But then again, maybe I shouldn’t be. It may be that you’re not actually serious? You’re just messin’ around and throwing sh** out there?

C’mon Shulem. Let’s keep things reasonable.

I'm absolutely serious, MG. Totally. These speculations are right in line with what one would do *IF* they knew where treasures or ancient relics were located in which to make them famous.

You are imputing motivation that is your own. Or others. Joseph was of course tempted by the possibility of wealth from the plates. He was encouraged/chastised as a result. Joseph knew God was watching and that he was accountable to Him. Why would he then go after relics to the exclusion of all else, including his soul?

In the case of Book of Mormon geography, Smith was all talk and no action.

Exactly. It wasn’t what he was concerned with. He had a WHOLE LOT of other things on his mind and a multiplicity of things demanding his attention. You make it sound as though he should have had a one track mind in regards to Book of Mormon geography.

But, he'd run off to Salem in a heartbeat to check on buried treasures on account of rumor and its ten thousand tongues!

The fledgling church was under a great deal of financial stress. Joseph was subject to the same impulses the rest of us are. He saw a possibility of an instant solution to a problem. He ended up being disappointed. Have you ever experienced a similar situation?

But, the Book of Mormon geography? Why bother? It was just a story he invented and he knew it.

This is where I find you delving into a fantasy world of your own making. I understand that this is the world that you inhabit and that as a result of your life experience this would be the only possible alternative that makes sense to you.

My speculation is reasonable considering how Smith failed to ACT or discuss anything about where the Nephite temples were located.

But why would he? Especially if he wasn’t privy to that information. You seem to have the belief that Joseph Smith had everything handed to him on a silver platter. That is OBVIOUSLY not true.

Smith couldn't have found the Nephites if God himself led him because they never existed. Joseph's God was his own shadow.

And again, that is your own narrative of Joseph’s experiences. You believe that, in my opinion, because you have concluded that most of what he ever said and did was purely selfish and for his own aggrandizement or gain and that God was never in he picture. This view is a black and white view of the man. It will color your perception of everything he ever said or did.

And it has.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Yer gettin to him Shulem..... his shelf is cracking more...

Seriously, I know. I know.

Alternatively, I find that through the proving of contraries, truth is made manifest (paraphrasing one of my all time favorite quotes from Joseph Smith).

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Yer gettin to him Shulem..... his shelf is cracking more...

: D

Yes, I know, yours cracked a long time ago. Or should I say, back when you were sixteen or so. That is on the assumption that you’re in your mid twenties going on thirty?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Yer gettin to him Shulem..... his shelf is cracking more...

Seriously, I know. I know.

Hey, I thought I was bringing you closer to going to church next Sunday and placing your butt in the pew.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Alternatively, I find that through the proving of contraries, truth is made manifest (paraphrasing one of my all time favorite quotes from Joseph Smith).

[the proving of contraries as a two truths concept] strikes me as similar to compartmentalization, a standard coping technique of educated Mormons when faced with contrary claims between religion and science, such as Book of Mormon claims about Israelites/Nephites in America versus the disturbing lack of archaeological evidence for that claim. Solution: compartmentalize.

Averroes apparently advocated a sophisticated formulation of compartmentalization. For what it's worth, medieval Scholastics rejected that approach: the Supreme Court and Aquinas would have none of that two truths stuff. Truth was truth and had to be consistent, even if there were two roads (natural reason and divine revelation) to get there. "Truth brooks no contraries" might be their slogan.

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