Church membership:
1990: 7,760,000
2020: 16,663,663
The LDS church claims "every member a missionary." SAUCE
Ergo,
Converts per missionary 1990= 0.04
Converts per missionary 2020= 0.007
The member-missionary convert-baptism success rate was 5.7 times better in 1990 than 2020.
What can explain this? A decrease in the faith of the members? A field no longer white and ready to harvest? The world population has grown from 5.28 billion in 1990 to 7.753 billion in 2020, so the "field" of potential converts is much larger. One would expect that having twice as many member-missionaries and a pool of potential converts that is almost 50% larger would produce a much higher yield.
Maybe there weren't *really* 16,663,663 members in 2020?
Maybe there weren't *really* 330,887 converts in 1990?
Maybe the people who run this cult and lie about everything else also lie about their membership numbers.
Even if you look at the ordained/set apart full-time missionaries, you see much the same pattern - as the number of missionaries increases, the number of converts per missionary falls. It's almost as if nothing really matters except for maintaining roughly the same number of converts/year, with some random variation included to make it look not faked.
Maybe it's already been mentioned, but another interesting aspect is that a much larger share of missionaries are now sister missionaries. Lowering the mission age immediately propped up the numbers short-term, as did making it more acceptable for sisters to serve missions. One card they still have in the deck for propping up the total number of missionaries is allowing sisters to serve 2 years instead of 1.5.
After that, though, what other options do they have for increasing the missionary count? I guess lowering the age sisters can serve to 18 might result in some marginal increase. Seems like they're running out of tricks to juice the numbers, though.
Maybe it's already been mentioned, but another interesting aspect is that a much larger share of missionaries are now sister missionaries. Lowering the mission age immediately propped up the numbers short-term, as did making it more acceptable for sisters to serve missions. One card they still have in the deck for propping up the total number of missionaries is allowing sisters to serve 2 years instead of 1.5.
After that, though, what other options do they have for increasing the missionary count? I guess lowering the age sisters can serve to 18 might result in some marginal increase. Seems like they're running out of tricks to juice the numbers, though.
The next step after that is paid missionaries. "Starting in 202X we've had revelation that certain missionaries are doing so well they might not want their missions to end. The church has decided that we're going to pay for up to 5000 missionaries to serve another full year bringing the word of Jesus Christ to the World and the church, through the blessings of the membership and of God, will pay for that 3rd year."
Translate that it into old white octogenarian however you will.
Maybe it's already been mentioned, but another interesting aspect is that a much larger share of missionaries are now sister missionaries. Lowering the mission age immediately propped up the numbers short-term, as did making it more acceptable for sisters to serve missions. One card they still have in the deck for propping up the total number of missionaries is allowing sisters to serve 2 years instead of 1.5.
After that, though, what other options do they have for increasing the missionary count? I guess lowering the age sisters can serve to 18 might result in some marginal increase. Seems like they're running out of tricks to juice the numbers, though.
My experience as a Branch President in Scotland was that the sister missionaries were much more effective than the men - more than enough to balance out the 18 vs. 24 month mission length.
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Maybe it's already been mentioned, but another interesting aspect is that a much larger share of missionaries are now sister missionaries. Lowering the mission age immediately propped up the numbers short-term, as did making it more acceptable for sisters to serve missions. One card they still have in the deck for propping up the total number of missionaries is allowing sisters to serve 2 years instead of 1.5.
After that, though, what other options do they have for increasing the missionary count? I guess lowering the age sisters can serve to 18 might result in some marginal increase. Seems like they're running out of tricks to juice the numbers, though.
The next step after that is paid missionaries. "Starting in 202X we've had revelation that certain missionaries are doing so well they might not want their missions to end. The church has decided that we're going to pay for up to 5000 missionaries to serve another full year bringing the word of Jesus Christ to the World and the church, through the blessings of the membership and of God, will pay for that 3rd year."
Translate that it into old white octogenarian however you will.
Ooh, another option would be to provide scholarships to church schools for return missionaries, something like that. There are ways to pay for missionaries while still clinging to the claim of an unpaid ministry.
The next step after that is paid missionaries. "Starting in 202X we've had revelation that certain missionaries are doing so well they might not want their missions to end. The church has decided that we're going to pay for up to 5000 missionaries to serve another full year bringing the word of Jesus Christ to the World and the church, through the blessings of the membership and of God, will pay for that 3rd year."
Translate that it into old white octogenarian however you will.
Ooh, another option would be to provide scholarships to church schools for return missionaries, something like that. There are ways to pay for missionaries while still clinging to the claim of an unpaid ministry.
Ooh, another option would be to provide scholarships to church schools for return missionaries, something like that. There are ways to pay for missionaries while still clinging to the claim of an unpaid ministry.
I have no idea what coherent proposition MG is trying to convince himself of.
My current guess is that it doesn't go much beyond "Whatever those people say, they can't stop me being Mormon".
Im with you, most of the time I have no idea what he thinks he believes other than "must maintain belief in the Mormon narrative at all costs" even though much of what he "believes" is unrecognizable to those of us who are actually familiar with the teachings of the Mormon church. I have said it before but his posts essentially amount to just yelling "it's majic!" when trying to explain the neverending contradictions and holes in his arbitrary belief system but, hey, some people need more than just their fairy tales. They need to try to convince people that their fairy tales make sense...
…much of what he "believes" is unrecognizable to those of us who are actually familiar with the teachings of the Mormon church.
I’d be interested in knowing where you are going with this but I think it would end up in a derail. Let it be said, I am actually familiar with the teachings of the CofJCofLDS. I’m a life long member. Seminary. Institute. Mission. Church service in many positions.
And YOU, an apostate think you know more after having bailed out?
Really?
Anyway, let’s let the thread run its course. I needed to pop in and simply state that a thinking/believing member of the church is not an anomaly. As much as you would like to paint otherwise.
…much of what he "believes" is unrecognizable to those of us who are actually familiar with the teachings of the Mormon church.
I’d be interested in knowing where you are going with this but I think it would end up in a derail. Let it be said, I am actually familiar with the teachings of the CofJCofLDS. I’m a life long member. Seminary. Institute. Mission. Church service in many positions.
And YOU, an apostate think you know more after having bailed out?
Really?
you think suddenly life long memories and knowledge just disappear?
Anyway, let’s let the thread run its course. I needed to pop in and simply state that a thinking/believing member of the church is not an anomaly. As much as you would like to paint otherwise.
They were speaking specifically about you and the contortions and distortions of logic it frequently takes to stand your ground here. I agree with their assessment.
I’d be interested in knowing where you are going with this but I think it would end up in a derail. Let it be said, I am actually familiar with the teachings of the CofJCofLDS. I’m a life long member. Seminary. Institute. Mission. Church service in many positions.
You may be familiar with the teachings of the Mormon church but your incomprehensible, disjointed beliefs indicate otherwise. Maybe that's why you remain a member, you never really studied the actual teachings of the Mormon church beyond the fluffy nonsense published by Mormon inc and you just chose to make things up to believe in when you encountered difficult truths. Again, just posting the religious equivalent of "Its Magic!" ad infinitum speaks to how shallow your beliefs really are.
Anyway, let’s let the thread run its course. I needed to pop in and simply state that a thinking/believing member of the church is not an anomaly. As much as you would like to paint otherwise.
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MG
Another word you don't seem to know the meaning of - anomoly....You are the absolute epitome of an anomaly considering Mormons on the roles make up a tiny fraction of the world population and then only a small fraction of those Mormons actually "believe" in the teachings of the Mormon church. THEN there are people like you who have concocted an entirely new belief system loosely based on Mormon folklore to base your life on...you are literally an anomaly within an anomaly.
