NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[Markk]

Markk,

It seems your only real interest here is to litigate the talk radio propaganda you listen to non-stop that's sanded the folds of your brain smooth and then branded in their taking points. You are not engaging in discussion of facts, just lobbying for whomever it is that your work radio is tuned to all day.

Very early on I said that you were essentially rehashing old information and not engaging information being shared in any way that suggests the discussion can move forward. Now, we've even gone backward to 2016 or the 1990s.

Hunter Biden is subject to an investigation, as noted in the NYT story that kicked of the resurfacing of the topic like bog gas trapped under a thermal layer of a pond released by a disturbance. The emails don't show Joe Biden as complicit in the money-making schemes claimed, the conspiracy you find outrageous is blatantly present in the dealings of the Trump family business. But everyone who disagrees with your brainwashed regurgitation of talk radio is following a Joseph Smith-type prophet...(snort).

LOL…I didn’t know “The Dan Patrick show” and “Two pros and a Cup of Joe” my morning drive, and “Mason and Ireland” on my drive home were propaganda Radio…the latest propaganda based on this mornings drive is “what is the odd’s of Tiger winning the masters, and what is the odds of him making the cut.” Honor I rarely listen to political talk shows, and if I do it is most likely KFI 640, which is mostly liberal.

by the way the Vegas odd are 200/1 Tiger wins the masters…which is better odds that we can move this conversation forward.

[honorentheos]

by the way the Vegas odd are 200/1 Tiger wins the masters…which is better odds that we can move this conversation forward.

Sounds about right on both counts.

If you don't accept that the way the information was handled in October 2020 by the Trump administration and co., created conditions where caution was warranted; that more recent information has explained the context for the Hunter emails; that Shokin was removed due to his being a corrupt prosecutor who was not actively investigating Burisma; then we appear to have no facts on which to agree from which to build a discussion. You seem purely interested in engaging from a position where your biases are assumed and accepted. I assert they are contradicted by evidence and should not be assumed. You say you have no interest in that but want to "discuss" whether or not an email referring to "the big man" is referring to Joe Biden. But you don't seem to know why the facts show that email is irrelevant to the question of if Joe Biden was engaging with Hunter to seek payment from foreign sources leveraging his position or reputation for personal gain. Why? Because those emails end in conversations that do not engage with Joe Biden. Instead, other emails show any outreach to a so called chairman (whom Hunter says is a way he refers to Joe Biden) were emphatically rebuffed. You don't accept that either, though, so I think Vegas won't get my money in the form of a bet on Tiger. And this discussion has absorbed more than enough of my time to establish the outrage narrative is ignorant of facts or evidence.

[Markk]

No, it is because I don’t buy your assertions, you demand I am right , you are wrong…there fore I won’t entertain what else you have to say.

I accept the way Trump handled the information, it is history, and it is what it is, but it has nothing to do “with the information”…which can be reviewed objectively for what it is, apart from how Trump handled it. You set up a straw-man, that because you don’t like the way Trump handled it, therefor the information and data on the hard drives are somehow irrelevant, or off limits for anyone else to review and analyze.

The Shokin story is a saga that has two different opinions and sides. The fact is JB basically blackmailed, through a quid quo pro, a prosecutor that was going after MZ…there is more than enough evidence that supports that. Was he corrupt, probably, but probably so was every other leader that was in power at the time…the Ukraine government as a whole was corrupt. The current president, who is obviously in th e news, of the Ukraine ran and won on a ticket to stop that corruption.

Here is part of the phone call to Poroshenko, after he fired Shokin. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XJb0RjGh_P0

Shokin, and the story is deep. Some say that the Obama administration was upset at Shokin because he was not going after MZ and Burisma enough, and wanted in the MZ money through bribes. Some say otherwise…there is a very good documentary that I shared here before that shows another view from what you are tryin to paint.

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/01/13/n ... rainegate/

https://www-les--crises-fr.translate.go ... _tr_pto=sc


Point being this is hardly settled, but what is fact is that he was the prosecutor that was deeply involved in MZ, Burisma, and Hunter Biden and Archer…and if you want to, inject Shokin and Poroshenko into the mix…every last one of them have a history of corruption.

HUH, I will certainly discuss what the email said about the big guy… please point out and show me what your assertion is, and how the e-mail states the big guy is not Joe…I will listen, and if you can show that… I will concede it and we can move on. If you laid this out already, i apologize in that I must have missed your assesssment

Are you saying that in the e-mails, Hunter uses the “nick name” Chairman for JB, therefore, the other guy ( I don’t recall his name) can’t use the “nick name” big guy for JB? If I misunderstand your assertion please clear that up for me.

[honorentheos]

Ok Markk. One item. Let's focus on one item.

The fact is JB basically blackmailed, through a quid quo pro, a prosecutor that was going after MZ…there is more than enough evidence that supports that.

You call this a fact. You say it was clearly a quid pro quo. So...what specifically did Biden receive, using facts and all the evidence you have?

[K Graham]

The Shokin story is a saga that has two different opinions and sides. The fact is JB basically blackmailed, through a quid quo pro, a prosecutor that was going after MZ…there is more than enough evidence that supports that.

This is a lie that has been debunked for years now. So why repeat it? Trump and his team started this lie and it is made up from whole cloth. You know, the "idiot" you say you don't like. You're literally parroting what he said three years ago:

Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.

They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.

Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Details you'll never hear about over at Brietbart.

Of course whenever indisputable evidence is presented to you, you just hand wave it away with the rationale that the internet says "lots of things that contradict that." Yes, you have a right to your own opinions and beliefs but you don't have a right to make up your own facts. We've been presenting the facts while you've been desperately trying to salvage a failed conspiracy theory.

[K Graham]

Ok Markk. One item. Let's focus on one item.

The fact is JB basically blackmailed, through a quid quo pro, a prosecutor that was going after MZ…there is more than enough evidence that supports that.

You call this a fact. You say it was clearly a quid pro quo. So...what specifically did Biden receive, using facts and all the evidence you have?

I just can't get over the irony/hypocrisy here because quite literally everything he's been accusing Biden of doing, Trump actually did do and it isn't even debatable. But that's OK in Markk's book, because Trump was just an "idiot." Biden is viewed as a "criminal."

I never will forget watching Chris Christie on television saying Trump would only be in serious trouble if he had said something like "do me a favor." Then we hear the audio of his conversation and he said precisely that. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/pre-transcr ... e-a-favor/

[Markk]

Ok Markk. One item. Let's focus on one item.

The fact is JB basically blackmailed, through a quid quo pro, a prosecutor that was going after MZ…there is more than enough evidence that supports that.

You call this a fact. You say it was clearly a quid pro quo. So...what specifically did Biden receive, using facts and all the evidence you have?

Huh…He received what he wanted, Shokin was fired. There is video and audio evidence of this, which, I already pasted and linked. The prosecutor being fired was the demand, the billon dollars in aid was the reward. I wouldn’t try to make this more than it is…but I’ll listen.

[Markk]

The Shokin story is a saga that has two different opinions and sides. The fact is JB basically blackmailed, through a quid quo pro, a prosecutor that was going after MZ…there is more than enough evidence that supports that.

This is a lie that has been debunked for years now. So why repeat it? Trump and his team started this lie and it is made up from whole cloth. You know, the "idiot" you say you don't like. You're literally parroting what he said three years ago:

Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.

They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.

Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Details you'll never hear about over at Brietbart.

Of course whenever indisputable evidence is presented to you, you just hand wave it away with the rationale that the internet says "lots of things that contradict that." Yes, you have a right to your own opinions and beliefs but you don't have a right to make up your own facts. We've been presenting the facts while you've been desperately trying to salvage a failed conspiracy theory.

Kevin, The prosecutor that was before Shokin was deep into Burisma…Shokin came in and this is where the stories start getting twisted.Shokin was accused by Obama Administration for not going after Burisma, and the other story is that Shokin was hindered forgoing after him, but I doubt you watched the very well documented series on this by the French film maker. I don’t go to Brietbart unless I click on a link…so stop with the blanket statements.

Kevin, you don’t objectively study anything, you go to sites that back up your ideology and cut and paste snippets that support your ideology just like we did when were LDS.I learned to see both sides from my 34 years of being in that cult, apparently you did not.

Did you watch the French documentary series on this, would you like to go through it together? Again it is very well supported by documents and references. In fairness give me a link/s to what you are using a your “proof text/s”

[Markk]

Ok Markk. One item. Let's focus on one item.



You call this a fact. You say it was clearly a quid pro quo. So...what specifically did Biden receive, using facts and all the evidence you have?

I just can't get over the irony/hypocrisy here because quite literally everything he's been accusing Biden of doing, Trump actually did do and it isn't even debatable. But that's OK in Markk's book, because Trump was just an "idiot." Biden is viewed as a "criminal."

I never will forget watching Chris Christie on television saying Trump would only be in serious trouble if he had said something like "do me a favor." Then we hear the audio of his conversation and he said precisely that. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/pre-transcr ... e-a-favor/

What funny is that it is debatable in regards to Trump and it turns into a he said she said. Trump may very well have did that, but it is certainly debatable. In regards to Biden we have video and audio evidence that is indisputable…so Kevin at least be honest and objective with what is out there.

[honorentheos]

Ok Markk. One item. Let's focus on one item.



You call this a fact. You say it was clearly a quid pro quo. So...what specifically did Biden receive, using facts and all the evidence you have?

Huh…He received what he wanted, Shokin was fired. There is video and audio evidence of this, which, I already pasted and linked. The prosecutor being fired was the demand, the billon dollars in aid was the reward. I wouldn’t try to make this more than it is…but I’ll listen.

That's not a quid pro quo.