NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[Markk]

So lets look at what we have…that is what i am doing…

,You aren't, though. Res sincerely attempts to engage you by looking at actual facts with verified sources, how they sequence chronologically, and strip off the innuendo and supposition. You won't have it, and want to engage in speculation over and over and over. "Who is the Big Man?", "Why did Biden push for Lutsenko to replace Shokin?", "You know Joe was dirty and working with Hunter, so how dirty is he?"

There is actual evidence and journalistic investigation that could be discussed but you wave it off as avoiding your questions...which aren't questions. You want to sell squares on a betting pool matrix for the conservative dream of a criminal investigation into Joe Biden. You see this attempt to have a discussion based on facts as avoidance of your "questions"...

and you just say nah huh…what we have is what we have…and it paints a picture of what we have…a bunch of dirty folks surrounding our current president.

It's all smoke, no fire with you.

You are correct it does not carry water, in that I could care less about what Trump said…I can only go with what the emails read today…and the data we have from other sources. Which you don’t want to deal with.

You mean sources like your Russian propoganda videos? Or you have new information?

What about the financial disclosure forms showing the funds being Joe Biden's that were being discussed in the emails? If Joe hired Rosemont Seneca when he took office in 2009 to handle his financials while he was VP that is not exactly news. You make it into a scandal by reading a scandal into it. You are too biased to be able to have a meaningful discussion.

I told Res that would be a lot of work, you guys can put information in the time line, LOL…don’t let the key board stop you! Start with Hunter through Rosmont, paying Joes bills as far back as 2010.

Smoke leads to fire….

Show me how the french economists documentary is a Russian propaganda documentary…start from the beginning of the documentary and give me a time line of the data presented, and label which points made are true, and which ones are false…and which ones are propaganda. LOL I wait. In other words you won’t because you can’t. But what you can do is watch it (which I believe you might have started too but saw it is pretty exhaustive) and we can discuss the points made and weed out the relative points.

[honorentheos]

Start with Hunter through Rosmont, paying Joes bills as far back as 2010.

I doubt you have the discipline to stay on task but let's do as you suggest.

2008 - Joe Biden's oldest son, Beau Biden, is mobilized to deploy to Iraq as a member of the Delaware National Guard.

2009 - Joe Biden is sworn in as Vice-President of the United States.

2010 - Dates of emails between Eric Schwerin and Hunter Biden discussing payments for upkeep on Joe Biden's properties.

2019 - Text message between Hunter Biden and his daughter where they are fighting over money. In it, Hunter makes a remark about not requiring his family to give him half their salary, "unlike pop".

According to financial disclosure statements filed by Joe Biden for the year 2010, the trusts being discussed in the emails between Hunter and Schwerin are listed as assets belonging to Joe Biden.

Eric Schwerin appears to have some limited power of attorney for Joe Biden, being able to deposit and write checks on Joe's behalf. He seems to have some direct communication with Joe Biden but also appears to use Hunter for communications as well.

All of the above look exactly like what one would see if Joe Biden had divested himself of direct involvement in his financials when he took office. It's not only above board, its exactly what Presidents and VP's are supposed to do. His oldest son was deployed to Iraq at the time, making Hunter the obvious choice to act on his behalf. This is 2010, keep in mind.

The text fight, a private argument between at least one hot headed person of questionable judgement, is the single piece of evidence you and the conservative media argue paints the emails in the light of Hunter actually paying for Joe's stuff.

The smoke isn't pointing to a fire. The smoke is being blown into the situation to obscure what is otherwise innocuous.

[Res Ipsa]

,You aren't, though. Res sincerely attempts to engage you by looking at actual facts with verified sources, how they sequence chronologically, and strip off the innuendo and supposition. You won't have it, and want to engage in speculation over and over and over. "Who is the Big Man?", "Why did Biden push for Lutsenko to replace Shokin?", "You know Joe was dirty and working with Hunter, so how dirty is he?"

There is actual evidence and journalistic investigation that could be discussed but you wave it off as avoiding your questions...which aren't questions. You want to sell squares on a betting pool matrix for the conservative dream of a criminal investigation into Joe Biden. You see this attempt to have a discussion based on facts as avoidance of your "questions"...



It's all smoke, no fire with you.


You mean sources like your Russian propoganda videos? Or you have new information?

What about the financial disclosure forms showing the funds being Joe Biden's that were being discussed in the emails? If Joe hired Rosemont Seneca when he took office in 2009 to handle his financials while he was VP that is not exactly news. You make it into a scandal by reading a scandal into it. You are too biased to be able to have a meaningful discussion.

I told Res that would be a lot of work, you guys can put information in the time line, LOL…don’t let the key board stop you! Start with Hunter through Rosmont, paying Joes bills as far back as 2010.

Smoke leads to fire….

Show me how the french economists documentary is a Russian propaganda documentary…start from the beginning of the documentary and give me a time line of the data presented, and label which points made are true, and which ones are false…and which ones are propaganda. LOL I wait. In other words you won’t because you can’t. But what you can do is watch it (which I believe you might have started too but saw it is pretty exhaustive) and we can discuss the points made and weed out the relative points.

More often, Smoke leads to people blowing smoke.

Link me to the e-mails and tweets you keeping referring to so that I can put them in the timeline and fill in the context.

I’ll take it that you can’t provide a link to the complete contents of the laptop. That means both you and I are seeing only what Joe Biden’s political enemies want us to see.

[Markk]

I told Res that would be a lot of work, you guys can put information in the time line, LOL…don’t let the key board stop you! Start with Hunter through Rosmont, paying Joes bills as far back as 2010.

Smoke leads to fire….

Show me how the french economists documentary is a Russian propaganda documentary…start from the beginning of the documentary and give me a time line of the data presented, and label which points made are true, and which ones are false…and which ones are propaganda. LOL I wait. In other words you won’t because you can’t. But what you can do is watch it (which I believe you might have started too but saw it is pretty exhaustive) and we can discuss the points made and weed out the relative points.

More often, Smoke leads to people blowing smoke.

Link me to the e-mails and tweets you keeping referring to so that I can put them in the timeline and fill in the context.

I’ll take it that you can’t provide a link to the complete contents of the laptop. That means both you and I are seeing only what Joe Biden’s political enemies want us to see.

Why do you just say political enemies…it is from media reports and media outlets that also print negative things about the GOP.

I pasted a link to e-mail on this thread to Honor, from some rag in the UK…if you can’t find it, I will find it later when I settle down after my chores…You can also make a personal effort and just google “Hunter Biden paid Joes bills” or similar…I’m sure you can find the same things I did, and maybe more…maybe something that’s refutes what I pasted…do your homework Res.

[Res Ipsa]

More often, Smoke leads to people blowing smoke.

Link me to the e-mails and tweets you keeping referring to so that I can put them in the timeline and fill in the context.

I’ll take it that you can’t provide a link to the complete contents of the laptop. That means both you and I are seeing only what Joe Biden’s political enemies want us to see.

Why do you just say political enemies…it is from media reports and media outlets that also print negative things about the GOP.

I pasted a link to e-mail on this thread to Honor, from some rag in the UK…if you can’t find it, I will find it later when I settle down after my chores…You can also make a personal effort and just google “Hunter Biden paid Joes bills” or similar…I’m sure you can find the same things I did, and maybe more…maybe something that’s refutes what I pasted…do your homework Res.

I don't mind doing my homework. I mind doing yours.

I found something from the daily mail that I think covers the bill e-mails and the texts. I'll add them, but will note that they are all isolated communications. What's missing is the entire conversation in all cases.

I think political enemies is pretty obvious. One can be a political enemy of Joe Biden and still print stuff that is critical of some republicans sometimes.

[K Graham]

Why do you just say political enemies…it is from media reports and media outlets that also print negative things about the GOP.

Right. Let's just ignore the fact that for two years the "emails" have been in the hands of Rudy, FOX News and the NY Post only. They all three refused to share with the outside world. Instead we keep getting strategically released "bombshells" with absolutely no context.

Think critically Markk. Why do you think they do this?

[Markk]

And for those years the senate chair for intelligence was saying it was all Russian disinformation, even after being told by the FBI, DoJ and Radcliffe itf was not Russian disinformation. Trump and Rudy were politician trying to win an election by releasing dirt, that we now now is true. Schiff was a politician trying to sink Trump. As it turns out Trump had the truth and schiff was lying.

But none of this negates now what we can look at in regards to the e-mails.

[honorentheos]

And for those years the senate chair for intelligence was saying it was all Russian disinformation, even after being told by the FBI, DoJ and Radcliffe itf was not Russian disinformation. Trump and Rudy were politician trying to win an election by releasing dirt, that we now now is true. Schiff was a politician trying to sink Trump. As it turns out Trump had the truth and schiff was lying.

But none of this negates now what we can look at in regards to the e-mails.

My impression is you don't know to which body of the Legislature certain parties' names above actually belong. I also suspect you'd have a hard time supporting the claim the Senate chair for intelligence was ignoring information from the FBI and DoJ. I suspect you are yet again living in the past, taking events from October 2020 and stretching them out to the present.

Also, you have yet to even acknowledge the reality of the 2010 emails being discussion about funds owned by Joe Biden. The entire premise that Hunter Biden was paying for Joe is a fabrication from those misusing information to bend the easily provoked outrage of the useful idiots cultivated to oppose anything their handlers tell them to oppose.

[K Graham]

And for those years the senate chair for intelligence was saying it was all Russian disinformation

Why do you continue with this lie? Is it because your position is so weak you have to keep reaching for anything to take focus off of that?

even after being told by the FBI, DoJ and Radcliffe itf was not Russian disinformation.

They were told what wasn't Russian disinformation? The issue was whether or not the outrageous claims about the laptop were true, and the fact is the Senate received a letter from 50 former intelligence officials who all warned this story has all the hallmarks of a classic disinformation campaign by the Russians.

Trump and Rudy were politician trying to win an election by releasing dirt, that we now now is true.

If by "we" you mean you and a number of gullible idiots who blindly subscribe to Right Wing propaganda, then yes. Virtually nothing you guys have claimed about the laptop data has been substantiated.

Schiff was a politician trying to sink Trump. As it turns out Trump had the truth and schiff was lying.

Truth about what?

But none of this negates now what we can look at in regards to the e-mails.

Where are all the emails? Show us Markk. Where are they? Why won't the NY Post or FOX publish them?

[canpakes]

Where are all the emails? Show us Markk. Where are they? Why won't the NY Post or FOX publish them?

Because, you know, the Post, Fox and Rudy all like Biden, and want him to stick around.

Apparently.