NBC news story on Hunter Biden

[honorentheos]

Markk, asking that you accurately restate the argument in a way I agree with is how you show you understand it. If you don't understand it, you aren't dismantling it, you're shadowboxing around it.

No, I am asking you to show how a investment firm that dealt in global investment skemes, with a president that is a lobbyist and has a degree in forighn relations can actually have power of attorney (your claim) over a sitting VP’s general banking account?

Another post that generates an exasperated reaction. It isn't a bank account. A limited power of attorney isn't something someone has "over" another person or their finances. Eric Schwerin's resume is irrelevant. You could state his appointments to executive branch positions such as Senior Policy Advisor for International Trade in the Commerce Department and Director of Business Liaison in the White House and they'd be equally relevant. Meaning, they aren't. You just think calling him a lobbyist proves corruption or conflicts so his paying a painter must be code for dirty China money or something. That's also why you think calling Rosemont Seneca a global investment company is meaningful here. It seems you don't know enough to get what's wrong with your thinking, making you a useful idiot I guess.

Part of your argument sis that Joe was concerned because his son was fighting overseas…which I am sure he was concerned…just like 100’ of thousands other parents. Let alone wife’s and children of service men and women. Not to mention further those dealing with family members that never came home.

Wow.

The point was that Beau Biden was deployed in 2009/2010 when the emails were authored, with it making sense that Hunter would be involved in managing Joe's assets after he took office as VP during the same period rather than his favorite and responsible son. What you said...yeah. It seems clear why these discussions rattle around unproductively I guess.

I believe your central argument is and has been, that he has done nothing wrong and that he is completely separated from his family’s dealing and friends. But please do give me a short narrative of your argument and I will give you mine…

1) The outrage being expressed and aimed at Joe Biden is not actually being shown to involve Joe, but Hunter.

2) Otherwise ordinary matters that do involve Joe Biden are being misrepresented to attempt to create the appearance of scandal.

3) The purpose for this is not to actually uncover legitimate corruption. Rather it's politically motivated. As we saw in 2016, being able to imply scandal or that someone is being investigated can swing elections regardless of actual guilt.

4) Everything Joe is being accused of is mirrored by actually demonstrable incidents by associates of Donald J. Trump, his children, his businesses, and his political circle.

5) Russia has an incentive to manipulate American sentiment towards Ukraine and Joe Biden, and they engage in propoganda efforts to those aims.

My basic argument is that the Biden family, primarily James, hunter, his sister have gained hugely on the Biden name and their connection with JB.

Said correctly, sure. I agree.

I believe that there is a lot of circumstantial evident that points to Joe at the very least, knowing about all their dealings while they happen, and at the worse involved in these dealings.

You make assumptions about the nature of those dealings and their legality which makes this unsupportable.

in my opinion opinion Joe is dirty, but I concede he may just be ignorant of all this stuff going on around him in his family, but again personally I highly doubt that.

You omit the possibilty you are being mislead to seeing corruption that isn't there, built from real issues around unsavory but not illegal profiting off Joe's name.

I believe all this is enough for a real investigation by a independent counsel (if that is possible now days).

Exactly the political aim. No actual corruption need be proven to benefit the GOP in the midterms here or in 2024. Just creating the impression an investigation is needed is success. An actual investigation? All gravy.

[Marcus]

Markk, asking that you accurately restate the argument in a way I agree with is how you show you understand it. If you don't understand it, you aren't dismantling it, you're shadowboxing around it.

No, I am asking you to show how a investment firm that dealt in global investment skemes, with a president that is a lobbyist and has a degree in forighn relations can actually have power of attorney (your claim) over a sitting VP’s general banking account? You are trying to say that is perfectly normal…I am questioned that and would say it is rather odd, to say the least.

Why is it odd?

(And the guy has a masters in international affairs.)

[Marcus]

It’s fascinating to me how long this attempt to get Markk to provide facts has been going on…

If you have truly followed this...then what is my position, and what are my "opponents" position. Give me a brief "conclusion" of each. Just generalize he overall position of my "opponents." This will be interesting to say the least.

You need to do your own work.

The problem you have with whining that no one is 'answering your questions' is that your questions are only a delay tactic designed to stand in for your lack of facts.

….you have nothing here but unsupported accusations and partisan whining….

[Markk]

honor wrote…Clearly not. Were it a shared account Schwerin wouldn't go to Joe Biden for direction through Hunter because Hunter would have control of the fund and could tell him which to use. Also, they aren't bank accounts.

How do you know…the fact is we don’t know…for all we know it could be Hunter separate Wilmington trust account. Are you saying Joe is the only one in the World invested in a Wilmingto trust. It could be shared, it could be Hunters personal trust…or it could be Joes and Eric just has a power of attorney like you suggested. We just don’t know. Maybe, it is Hunters personal trust, the one where Joe exhausted all th e lines of credit from it.

Hunter has claimed in texts and emails he paid Joes bills from his salary, that we know, so who knows how deep this actually goes.

He is clearly authorized to make payment from the funds. Hunter doesn't own crap here. He's being asked to poke his dad to get answers when Eric needs them and Joe is busy. Read the emails for content not innunendo.

LOL..there are different accounts Honor, and again if what you say is true, then it show Eric, th e president of Rosemont, a registered lobbyist, does have power of attorney over a sitting VP’s account and i assume accounts…and it does not address “my” account and what that is.

Gotta run more later after work.

[canpakes]

So you tell me where the money is coming form…it is as clear as mud.

What’s funny about all of this is that the folks with the hard drive, having access to the full email chain, have chosen to release this email without any others in the chain.

Why do you suppose that is?

Nah. I’m just looking to figure out who you believe should be investigated for what, based on which evidence.

Joe and Hunter (hunter is for tax evasion currently)

What are you wanting to investigate JB for, again?

[Marcus]

How do you know…the fact is we don’t know…for all we know it could be…

[honorentheos]

How do you know…the fact is we don’t know…for all we know it could be…

Yeah.

[Schreech]

How do you know…the fact is we don’t know…for all we know it could be…

[honorentheos]

What adds to it is where we get statements about what meets the threshold of being accepted and assumed:

Hunter has claimed in texts and emails he paid Joes bills from his salary, that we know,

So we know that Hunter claimed something in a single text during a fight over money with his daughter. Not that we know he did actually pay anyone anything at anytime, just that he claimed he had to give "pop" 50% of his income in that one stolen text where he's being melodramatic. The implications?

...so who knows how deep this actually goes.

Who knows indeed. He may have even been the one who ate the piece of pie she'd saved for later that disappeared out of the fridge. Damning, these private inner-family text fights.

[K Graham]

What adds to it is where we get statements about what meets the threshold of being accepted and assumed:

Hunter has claimed in texts and emails he paid Joes bills from his salary, that we know,

So we know that Hunter claimed something in a single text during a fight over money with his daughter. Not that we know he did actually pay anyone anything at anytime, just that he claimed he had to give "pop" 50% of his income in that one stolen text where he's being melodramatic. The implications?

...so who knows how deep this actually goes.

Who knows indeed. He may have even been the one who ate the piece of pie she'd saved for later that disappeared out of the fridge. Damning, these private inner-family text fights.

As a parent of a 17 year old, I read this as him saying he had to pay his Dad 50% of his income when he was a teen. Wouldn't that make more sense? My daughter gets a new Tesla for her birthday and then a year later is complaining about having to pay for the insurance. I respond, I had to pay my Dad for the car and the insurance! The point being, she doesn't know how good she's got it.