Why did the Covid vaccines fail?

[Chap]

The number of serious adverse effects is low, the number of known deaths last I looked was 4 for 340 million doses. The risks these vaxx deniers keep claiming - simply are not there. 1: 100 million vs 1:300 ods.


That the unvaccinated are dying 8:1 over the vaccinated at this stage and over 10:1 since the vaccine appeared is pretty well established numbers. Unvaccinated are hospitalized 20:1 over the last couple months.

Well, I assume Binger has dealt specifically with those false claims ... I mean, he must have done ... surely?

[Binger]

Has anyone seen where Binger explained how the vaccine supposedly "failed"?

No. And you won't. His MO is well known by now.

This article from the Lancet suggests the real death toll could be more than double the official count.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 3/fulltext

But who needs science and facts when you've got the feel good companionship of internet "question your institutions" morons to reinforce your confirmation bias?

The Lancet article (funded by Gates, LOL!!!!!!) says the opposite of what you think it says. Want me to keep going? Or nah? This article is not the only one to say that the statistics are unreliable but there is enough information to know that there is a massive difference between deaths caused by the virus and deaths caused by the pandemic BS, including lockdowns, economic turmoil, suicide, opioids and vaccines.

The magnitude of disease burden might have changed for many causes of death during the pandemic period due to both direct effects of lockdowns and the resulting economic turmoil. To correctly divide excess deaths into those directly due to SARS-CoV-2 infection and those associated with changes in other diseases and injuries, multiple drivers of change in mortality since the onset of the pandemic need to be considered. Unfortunately, to date only 36 countries have released 2020 cause of death data with detailed stratification by cause, to our knowledge. Although studies on specific populations in particular locations have been reported, we found insufficient statistical evidence to estimate these other changes in causes of death in a robust manner. Findings are mixed among the available evidence for alternative drivers of mortality that might have served to either increase or decrease excess mortality during the pandemic period. Some excess mortality might be attributable to reductions in health-care use across a number of causes; however, the effect of reduced health-care use on health outcomes is difficult to prove. Many mechanisms have been proposed, including reduced vaccination rates26 and reduced births in hospitals.2 However, demonstrated increases in cause-specific mortality from reduced health-care use do not have a generalised pattern in the countries with data released to date; the effect of changes in health-care use on excess mortality might also be greater in later years, rather than in 2020 or 2021. Even hypothesised decreases in injury-related deaths might be in doubt, as the US National Traffic and Safety Board has reported that road traffic deaths increased in 2020 in many US states despite decreases in transport mobility. There is convincing evidence that rates of anxiety and depression increased during the pandemic period, which might lead to increases in deaths from suicide; however, to date, evidence of increased suicide mortality is scarce apart from in Japan, where reported suicide deaths increased during the pandemic.32 Conversely, opioid deaths have increased in some US states and decreased in others compared with expected levels. Deaths from some chronic conditions such as ischaemic heart disease or chronic respiratory disease decreased in particular months of 2020, most notably in May and June in Europe; these decreases might have occurred because frail individuals who died from COVID-19 earlier in the year might otherwise have died from these chronic conditions. Supporting evidence for reductions in chronic conditions (particularly respiratory conditions) includes reductions in air pollution in the months of March and April in 2020,37 but with the possible exception of India,38 aggregated concentrations of air pollution during the entire pandemic period up to Dec 31, 2021 were only slightly lower than prepandemic concentrations. The most compelling evidence to date of a change in cause-specific mortality in the pandemic period is the decrease, especially in the Northern Hemisphere, in flu and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) deaths seen in the months of January to March, 2021; decreases in cases of 80% or more have been reported to WHO. Given the scarce and inconsistent evidence of the effect the COVID-19 pandemic on cause-specific deaths, and the extremely scarce high-quality data on causes of death during the pandemic, our excess mortality estimates reflect the full impact of the pandemic on mortality around the world (after correcting for known biases), not just the deaths directly attributable to SARS-CoV-2 infection.

[Binger]

The number of serious adverse effects is low, the number of known deaths last I looked was 4 for 340 million doses. The risks these vaxx deniers keep claiming - simply are not there. 1: 100 million vs 1:300 ods.


That the unvaccinated are dying 8:1 over the vaccinated at this stage and over 10:1 since the vaccine appeared is pretty well established numbers. Unvaccinated are hospitalized 20:1 over the last couple months.

Well, I assume Binger has dealt specifically with those false claims ... I mean, he must have done ... surely?

It has been dealt with, I believe that the article posted by Kevin supports my claims rather well.

[canpakes]

The number of serious adverse effects is low, the number of known deaths last I looked was 4 for 340 million doses. The risks these vaxx deniers keep claiming - simply are not there. 1: 100 million vs 1:300 ods.
That the unvaccinated are dying 8:1 over the vaccinated at this stage and over 10:1 since the vaccine appeared is pretty well established numbers. Unvaccinated are hospitalized 20:1 over the last couple months.

It has been dealt with, I believe that the article posted by Kevin supports my claims rather well.

Excess deaths from effects mentioned in the Lancet article would affect the population on the whole, vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It would not diminish the issue of the unvaccinated dying in differing ratios and greater quantities, as ¥akaSteelhead has demonstrated.

[Binger]

It has been dealt with, I believe that the article posted by Kevin supports my claims rather well.

Excess deaths from effects mentioned in the Lancet article would affect the population on the whole, vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It would not diminish the issue of the unvaccinated dying in differing ratios and greater quantities, as ¥akaSteelhead has demonstrated.

The Lancet/Gates article identifies the flaws in the models and also the many, many, many variations in the modeling to account for the inconsistent data and statistics. There is nothing anywhere that supports the 1:100,000,000 vs. 1:300 suggestions in any of the links that I followed from this thread. If I missed the reference in a footnote or table, let me know.

Hey panny.. here is something fun for you..... you believe that Trump voters believe that Gates put a chip in the vaccine. (Are we approaching apple pie or blueberry pie?)

[canpakes]

Excess deaths from effects mentioned in the Lancet article would affect the population on the whole, vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It would not diminish the issue of the unvaccinated dying in differing ratios and greater quantities, as ¥akaSteelhead has demonstrated.

The Lancet/Gates article identifies the flaws in the models and also the many, many, many variations in the modeling to account for the inconsistent data and statistics. There is nothing anywhere that supports the 1:100,000,000 vs. 1:300 suggestions in any of the links that I followed from this thread. If I missed the reference in a footnote or table, let me know.

As pointed out earlier, those inconsistencies would apply to deaths that affect the population on the whole, vaccinated and unvaccinated. It would be impossible for those concerns to have been concentrated solely on the ‘unvaccinated’ side as to account for the disparity that ¥akaSteelhead notes.

Hey panny.. here is something fun for you..... you believe that Trump voters believe that Gates put a chip in the vaccine. (Are we approaching apple pie or blueberry pie?)

Apparently, enough of somebody believes it, given that multiple government-sponsored websites providing vaccine information have felt a need to address it. I couldn’t tell you who those folks voted for, though. Are you offering information about that?
: )

[Binger]

The Lancet/Gates article identifies the flaws in the models and also the many, many, many variations in the modeling to account for the inconsistent data and statistics. There is nothing anywhere that supports the 1:100,000,000 vs. 1:300 suggestions in any of the links that I followed from this thread. If I missed the reference in a footnote or table, let me know.

As pointed out earlier, those inconsistencies would apply to deaths that affect the population on the whole, vaccinated and unvaccinated. It would be impossible for those concerns to have been concentrated solely on the ‘unvaccinated’ side as to account for the disparity that ¥akaSteelhead notes.

Hey panny.. here is something fun for you..... you believe that Trump voters believe that Gates put a chip in the vaccine. (Are we approaching apple pie or blueberry pie?)

Apparently, enough of somebody believes it, given that multiple government-sponsored websites providing vaccine information have felt a need to address it. I couldn’t tell you who those folks voted for, though. Are you offering information about that?
: )

Nice.
No.

[canpakes]

Nice.
No.

Then I’ll await your attention to the disparity in deaths and will ignore your distraction regarding data that presumably affects both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals equally.

[Vēritās]

Holy hell, Binger is so stupid he believes the Lancet has no credibility because Bill Gates helps fund it. The Lancet has been the preeminent medical journal for roughly two centuries. But because of Bill Gates donating, the Right Wing's boogeyman, Binger just waves it away as some kind of Liberal propaganda!

Findings

Although reported COVID-19 deaths between Jan 1, 2020, and Dec 31, 2021, totalled 5.94 million worldwide, we estimate that 18.2 million (95% uncertainty interval 17·1–19·6) people died worldwide because of the COVID-19 pandemic (as measured by excess mortality) over that period. The global all-age rate of excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic was 120.3 deaths (113.1–129.3) per 100 000 of the population, and excess mortality rate exceeded 300 deaths per 100 000 of the population in 21 countries. The number of excess deaths due to COVID-19 was largest in the regions of south Asia, north Africa and the Middle East, and eastern Europe. At the country level, the highest numbers of cumulative excess deaths due to COVID-19 were estimated in India (4·07 million [3·71–4·36]), the USA (1·13 million [1·08–1·18]), Russia (1·07 million [1·06–1·08]), Mexico (798 000 [741 000–867 000]), Brazil (792 000 [730 000–847 000]), Indonesia (736 000 [594 000–955 000]), and Pakistan (664 000 [498 000–847 000]). Among these countries, the excess mortality rate was highest in Russia (374·6 deaths [369·7–378·4] per 100 000) and Mexico (325·1 [301·6–353·3] per 100 000), and was similar in Brazil (186·9 [172·2–199·8] per 100 000) and the USA (179·3 [170·7–187·5] per 100 000).

So I was wrong, since I said the real death toll could be double the official number and the Lancet article says it is likely more than triple.

Binger is making much ado about the fact that the article he deems worthless is accurately stating the obvious fact that there can be no 100% certainty as to the exact number of people who died directly from COVID infection and how many died for other reasons. We already knew this as it was common sense that people were dying of COVID early on before we had provided testing. Without testing there is no way to know who has it. Duh! But testing was scarce because Trump didn't want people tested. He was just trying to get you to vote for him again.

But you don't go from 5.9 million official deaths to over 18 million because of external factors alone. The most obvious explanation for the excess deaths is that we couldn't keep track of all the people who were dying from COVID. This is especially true in other countries like Brazil where testing wasn't really available to anyone unless they were really sick and being hospitalized.

Apparently Binger believes that extra 12 million deaths were all suicides from the economic misery that ensued. Actually more than that since he believes the 5.9 million is an overcount!

[Vēritās]

oh look! Another covid vaccine fail.

into the garbage it goes.

https://Twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1 ... _kifMIyFPA

We're still waiting for you to explain how it failed the first time. You should really pace yourself with these self-owns.

Clay Travis???

You're kidding right? Sports journalist turned MAGA Moron is someone you follow on Twitter!

I'm shocked.

Go ahead and explain for us how an overproduction of doses before they expire is somehow a "vaccine failure"?