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Re: Mail order brides.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:44 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:33 am

You're treating one result from one survey as the gospel truth. You're not questioning it at all.
It could be wrong, but so far I haven't seen any evidence to believe it is wrong.
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Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:33 am

I don't know the answer to your question, and I don't care enough to spend the time digging to try and figure out the answer.
What explain the decline after the 2015–2017 wave?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/1 ... 3211057710

This paper points out Belsky's model to suggest that too many single men is not a good thing.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2012-19737-004

And Erikson's Stages of Development suggest that being single or having no friends for a long time is really bad.

You should care. Have a good night, I have stuff to do.
Why should I care? What action should I be prompted to take? Be specific.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:44 am
This paper points out Belsky's model to suggest that too many single men is not a good thing.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2012-19737-004
Really? According to the abstract it does no such thing.
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Marcus wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:26 am
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:44 am
This paper points out Belsky's model to suggest that too many single men is not a good thing.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2012-19737-004
Really? According to the abstract it does no such thing.
It even says further study is necessary:
Further research is needed to understand maladaptive correlates of late sexual timing.
It seems the study findings include having sexual experiences early are damaging and correlate with negative factors like lower incomes. Late experience? Socializing issues and the aforementioned correlates that require further research.
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Thomas wrote:And Erikson's Stages of Development suggest that being single or having no friends for a long time is really bad.
My god. Stop misusing Erikson.

While you’re at it, stop misappropriating psychology in general—damn—as well as screwing up everything evolutionary psychology has to say.

Make your arguments, but stop pretending that you have enough background in these subjects to even read and understand the research. These fields are obviously not as intellectually accessible to you as you believe them to be.

Do yourself a favor, make your arguments from the heart—but stop pretending science is your friend here. There’s not one person (but you) who doesn’t see through this.

Pull back, reformulate your approach, and save yourself.
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Morley wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:47 pm
My god. Stop misusing Erikson.
According to Erikson, "The young adult must develop intimate relationships with others."
https://web.cortland.edu/andersmd/erik/stage6.html
honorentheos wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:45 pm
It even says further study is necessary:
Of course, but Belsky's model predicts that the lack of intimacy is not a good thing. It's like a loop or a recursion. You'll have to access the paper.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2012-19737-004
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:09 am
Why should we care? Explain it in your own words.
Because you guys care? I wanted to talk about the incidence of childhood diabetes, but guys want to talk about single men and my love life.
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Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:14 am
Why should I care? What action should I be prompted to take? Be specific.
I'm the only one here who was concerned about a pandemic before Covid and I was also concerned about Trump getting elected in 2016. Nobody here cared at the time.

Here are some reasons why you should care

1. The Right is radicalizing young men. It matters in a tight election.
"Misogynistic Men Online: How the Red Pill Helped Elect Trump" "Red Pill: Dating advice turns into radicalization"
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/f ... 086/701155
https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/201 ... nntech.cnn

2. https://time.com/6104105/more-single-men-than-women/

3. The Left isn't acknowledging that men are facing substantial societal problem, which is bad politics.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus. :roll:
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:40 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:09 am
Why should we care? Explain it in your own words.
Because you guys care? I wanted to talk about the incidence of childhood diabetes, but guys want to talk about single men and my love life.
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:14 am
Why should I care? What action should I be prompted to take? Be specific.
I'm the only one here who was concerned about a pandemic before Covid and I was also concerned about Trump getting elected in 2016. Nobody here cared at the time.

Here are some reasons why you should care

1. The Right is radicalizing young men. It matters in a tight election.
"Misogynistic Men Online: How the Red Pill Helped Elect Trump" "Red Pill: Dating advice turns into radicalization"
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/f ... 086/701155
https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/201 ... nntech.cnn

2. https://time.com/6104105/more-single-men-than-women/

3. The Left isn't acknowledging that men are facing substantial societal problem, which is bad politics.
Don't gaslight me, bro. You didn't want to talk about the incidence of childhood diabetes. After the thread was underway, you changed the title and some posts to hide what you originally wanted to talk about, which was how scary it was that women were having babies later in life and blaming feminists for it. What action have you taken since you started that thread to actually reduce the risk of childhood diabetes?

You're not the only one here who was concerned about a pandemic before COVID-19. Epidemiologists and others spent a great deal of time warning about the risks of drug resistant bacteria and zoonotic viruses. The rest of us simply saw it as one of a multitude of risks that could bite us in the ass and didn't obsess over it.

And you're still doing the same thing. You've stitched together snippets from several sources to create a simplistic parade of horribles without even trying to understand the complexities of social movements. "The left" isn't a bulletin board where pronouncements are made. Where do you expect "the left," whoever you think that is, to "acknowledge" stuff?

And to the question you failed to answer: what do you expect me to do?
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Morley wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:47 pm
My god. Stop misusing Erikson.
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:23 pm
According to Erikson, "The young adult must develop intimate relationships with others."
https://web.cortland.edu/andersmd/erik/stage6.html
Thomas, take a break from the board and read Childhood and Society. It's very accessible, and bit different from a barely-fleshed-out web page summary. In this stage of development, Erikson wasn't worried about the availability of nubile young women to solve a man's dating problems, he was concerned a person's psychological capacity for intimacy. According to Erikson, the onus for negotiating this stage is on the individual. He doesn't once mention the need for society to arrange dates.

That said, though Erikson ages well, he's still a Freudian, and he probably isn't someone you want to quote for creating policy.
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Morley wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:07 pm
According to Erikson, the onus for negotiating this stage is on the individual, not on society arranging dates.
I'm not advocating for arranged marriages or dates. I'm simply pointing out the problem that many individuals are entering a relationship late in life. Some in the Red Pill is telling young men to date after 30.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus. :roll:
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:58 pm
Don't gaslight me, bro. You didn't want to talk about the incidence of childhood diabetes. After the thread was underway, you changed the title and some posts to hide what you originally wanted to talk about, which was how scary it was that women were having babies later in life and blaming feminists for it. What action have you taken since you started that thread to actually reduce the risk of childhood diabetes?

You're not the only one here who was concerned about a pandemic before COVID-19. Epidemiologists and others spent a great deal of time warning about the risks of drug resistant bacteria and zoonotic viruses. The rest of us simply saw it as one of a multitude of risks that could bite us in the ass and didn't obsess over it.

And you're still doing the same thing. You've stitched together snippets from several sources to create a simplistic parade of horribles without even trying to understand the complexities of social movements. "The left" isn't a bulletin board where pronouncements are made. Where do you expect "the left," whoever you think that is, to "acknowledge" stuff?

And to the question you failed to answer: what do you expect me to do?
I don't want to get on your nerves. I think it's better to leave it like that.

I'm wrong about everything, don't listen to me.
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:58 pm
Don't gaslight me, bro. You didn't want to talk about the incidence of childhood diabetes. After the thread was underway, you changed the title and some posts to hide what you originally wanted to talk about, which was how scary it was that women were having babies later in life and blaming feminists for it. What action have you taken since you started that thread to actually reduce the risk of childhood diabetes?
Same thing. Women having babies later in life is contributing to the rise of childhood diabetes.
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