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[Res Ipsa]

What, precisely, are you proposing that we should make children afraid of?

Feelings are more important than the evidence, apparently.

Here's what the authors concluded.

Many theorists have concluded, very plausibly,that aggressive behavior leads to social exclusion, because people dislike associating with someone whose behavior is harmful or disruptive. Our findings do not prove that theory wrong, but they do support the opposite direction of causality. Exclusion from social groups and relationships—even just hearing a forecast about being alone during the distant future—appears to produce a strong tendency toward aggressive behavior

Nonresponsive. Nothing in what you quote has anything to do with my question.

[Doctor Steuss]

The goalpost game can be fun, I'm sure. I'm just not personally really big on it.

That's what I basically said in the OP.

You made a specific claim in a specific context. I replied to that specific claim in a specific context.

[Res Ipsa]

Any proposal that places the responsibility for a school shooter’s actions on the other kids is a recipe for disaster.

That's not what I am proposing at all! Jesus Christ.

I am simply proposing fearmongering to discourage bullying and social exclusion.

Fearmongering seems to be effective. We always tell kids not to talk to adult strangers (which is an excellent advice), even though the odds of a kid getting kidnapped are about one in a million, but the fearmongering works.

Cite the study that supports your claim that making children afraid of each other will result in increased inclusion.

[Res Ipsa]

DT, there is no point in trying to gaslight us about your initial claim when we just have to scroll back a few pages to check. Here is what you claimed at the beginning of this section of your thread:

Here is a study that point out the correlation between long-term loneliness and violent behavior. Here's the proof:

"If you can't join them, beat them"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11761307/

The cited study did not study long-term loneliness and did not study “violent behavior.” There was literally nothing accurate about your original claim about the study.

This is chronic.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well, he lied, and continues to lie, about reading the study. He’s a low-value male, and women sniff that out in about two microseconds. The fact that he can’t tell the truth to save his life just cements the deal with them. DT will never be a husband to a normal woman. Can’t be be a desperate whiny douche who can’t stop lying if you want a partner who is relatively together.

- Doc

[Morley]

No, it doesn't. If it did, you'd be able to post the paragraph where that's said.

It says that retaliation (cause by aggression) is as meaningful as physical harm.

No, it doesn't say that.

[Marcus]

It's just another demonstrable instance of a pathological...

I’m equal parts impressed and amused that would illicit a flurry of selfsame fruits.

Ditto.

[Marcus]

…Fearmongering seems to be effective…

What exactly do you think that word means?

[Res Ipsa]

It’s a shame, because there’s been an explosion of research in the past few decades on the importance of having a sense of belonging. The paper we’ve been discussing is 20 years old, and there’s been tons of research in the last couple decades.

Intimate relationships are only part of the problem. Dyadic friendships are only part of the problem. The fundamental need is a sense of belonging to a group. This research has been applied in schools. At a minimum, it supports strong anti-bullying rules. But beyond that, it extends to creating an anti-bullying culture. That requires classrooms that embrace tolerance and diversity. And it requires effort to make sure that everyone is welcome in the classroom.

Although not developed in the article we’ve been focused on, there is evidence that the system that causes us to feel physical pain overlaps with the system that causes us to feel emotional pain. There is evidence that pain relievers can provide relief for the emotional pain of exclusion.

I think this aspect of hardwiring blurs the distinction between physical violence and exclusion. If my nervous system reacts in substantially similar ways to both, what’s the difference between a punch and bullying through exclusion?

in my opinion, it’s a difficult problem. You can’t make people like each other or become friends. But the important thing seems to be having a sense of belonging to some group — not any specific group.

Pre-pandemic, my local middle and high school had very active GSA clubs. That’s Gay-Straight Alliance. It gave a population of students who were otherwise vulnerable to bullying and exclusion that sense of belonging.

Post-Pandemic, the number of extracurricular programs like GSA has been reduced in my local district. Music programs are on the chopping block. The fewer the number of groups, the greater the risk that kids will not be able to find a group to belong to.

If we want to end up with a functional, educated citizenry, I think we’re going to have to face the fact that we need to teach children how to form and seek out groups to fulfill that basic need to belong. And to be welcoming to those looking to belong.

[Jersey Girl]

It’s a shame, because there’s been an explosion of research in the past few decades on the importance of having a sense of belonging.

Past coupla decades? Um...Abraham Maslow 1940's, buddy.