Secular folks should worry.

[honorentheos]

I went back and listened to the video clip. To have a discussion on the topic of catastrophism as a theory in earth’s development/creation seems to be legit. Comparing different theories is useful and even important for a well rounded education. Looking at the slide on the YouTube clip shows catastrophism as being in the curriculum guide.

Before making hasty judgements we ought to have access to more of the conversation than a thirty second or so clip.

But here we/you are, doing just that. At least I think so…

This habit of making hasty judgments could be multiplied by the thousands, me thinks.

Did you watch the whole video of the discussion? If so, could you link to it?


Would you mind linking to the book you’re referring to and also link to where that particular book is being discussed for entry into Utah State Curriculum? Time stamp and link to full video presentation. Thanks.

Regards,
MG

So, bub, are you going to cough up the answer to my three questions or just run circles around them on a technicality?

Another technique I see way too much of. Don’t actually engage. Defray.

I’ve seen this over and over again. Not gonna fly.

Regards,
MG

Did I watch a full video of a nutcase who believes Darwin and Genesis are on equal footing when it comes to evidence? No. Can I link to it? No. Nor can I link you to the full catalog of Keeping Up With the Kardashians.

Can I show you where the Bible is being attempted to be put in the classroom next to established science? Well...

[MG 2.0]

Oh, MG.

Clear enough?

It's been clear all along. You don't know the difference between facts and rightwing propoganda.

You didn’t get it.

Regards,
MG

[honorentheos]

Oh, MG.


It's been clear all along. You don't know the difference between facts and rightwing propoganda.

You didn’t get it.

Regards,
MG

Or did I?

To put a point on the discussion, it seems clear your view of what is threatened is religiosity and religion-based community. You characterize this as being "civil society" in order to assert what threatens religiosity is dangerous to society as a whole.

I think in a nutshell you’re correct. And the impact this would have on society over time.

At last. Thank you.

You just don't like what it really distills down to when stated simply.

[MG 2.0]

Another technique I see way too much of. Don’t actually engage. Defray.

oh good heavens, here's the guy who posted like ten times on my cult thread and admitted to never reading the OP or any of my other posts on the topic.

I did, but as others alluded to you were a bit fuzzzy and difficult to wrap minds around as to what you were saying. Some folks kind of figured it out as the thread moved on.

I wasn’t getting it at the outset, but started to catch on when others caught on.

So I made my comments, such as they were, in reference to something that was within my pay grade.

The name of the thread.

But that’s stuff that you didn’t want to hear apparently. I backed off and let the thread run its course. After all, it was your thread. I did sort of hijack it in a sense.

Apologies for that.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

You didn’t get it.

Regards,
MG

Or did I?

At last. Thank you.

You just don't like what it really distills down to when stated simply.

I think I’m done with you on this point. You’re twisting and turning things around.

Another tactic used to cloud the waters.

I’ll let others read and judge.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Check back at a later time. I’ll watch video Doc posted when I have time and inclination.

Moving on to other things for now…

Regards,
MG

[honorentheos]

Check back at a later time. I’ll watch video Doc posted when I have time and inclination.

Moving on to other things for now…

Regards,
MG

There you go. Gotta stay true to the brand.

ETA: I should thank Kish for making sure a book reference you won't read made it into this encapsulation of every MG thread ever, too.

Lurkers need to know the thread will still play all the hits even if you want to play songs of your new album.

[Res Ipsa]

That is a news article summarizing events. The argument you believe is that Disney is pushing sexually inappropriate content onto kids as are educators and others in Florida. Reuters isn't agreeing with that position. Geez.

The fact is that Disney was against what some people were calling the “Don’t say gay” bill. In other words, Disney was not supporting the legislation put forth by DeSantis which would prohibit the age inappropriate curriculum being taught to Kindergarten through 3rd grade students.

Clear enough?

Sheesh.

Question: Are you in favor of age inappropriate sexually explicit material being taught to little children in Florida schools?

Do think that parents should have the final say in the matter?

Disney Corporation didn’t.

And now they’re paying the piper.

Good for DeSantis and good for the parents who weren’t going to bow down to the leftest liberal thugs who would steal away the innocence of little children.

And this is why, again, I think this thread is worth the time spent for me. It delineates some important differences between many secular humanist progressive liberals and those that take theism as their guide in their personal lives and act upon those things they know to be true/right as they get involved in government institutions/education of their children, and setting forth legislative action at the state and federal level.

Folks that would condone the teaching of age inappropriate curriculum to innocent little kids are going to stumble elsewhere.

In my opinion anyway.

Regards,
MG

Never forget, in MG 2.0’s “Civil Society,” it’s perfectly okay for the government to punish you for exercising your right to free speech and to petition the government.

[honorentheos]

Never forget, in MG 2.0’s “Civil Society,” it’s perfectly okay for the government to punish you for exercising your right to free speech and to petition the government.

And, to keep to OP in sight, MG and co., recognize they are losing their cancerous grip as a new wave of young voters with different views are set to take the majority baton and reframe American politics. So the entire point of this thread remains an attempt to poison the well against them by hoping the Fox Newsies can Trojan Horse Christian fundamentalism to secular Boomers, Gen X and Millennials wrapped in the giftwrapping of fear-mongering.

Notice how little MG even understands Western liberalism let alone speaks to it? The concern isn't about actual democratic values. Authoritarianism that leverages Christian fundy certitude and bias is the present danger behind almost ever threat facing the west. If one wants to get behind being concerned about actual threats to civil society, that is.

[MG 2.0]

Here in Utah, the State Board of Education had ~6 hour debate whether or not to teach The Flood.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/ ... hether_or/

As science. The Biblical global flood. As science.

-_-

- Doc

OK. I gotta jump back in on this and then hopefully take a breather.

Doc’s statement is false. I listened to the full section in question. It goes on max ten to fifteen minutes, if that. The longer breadth and depth of the ‘discussion’ wasn’t a discussion. It was simply going through strands of Utah State curriculum and clarifying and/or excising sections/words and approving or taking off amendments.

A necessary and important work to do. It wasn’t a long winded discussion on creationism vs. evolution and/ or uniformitarianism, etc. One board member had a question about entertaining an amendment which stated the theory of Catastrophism.

To bring into the curriculum an alternate view. Sheesh.

Catastrophism-
1. The doctrine that major changes in the earth's crust result from sudden catastrophes, such as the impact of a large meteor, rather than from gradual evolutionary processes.
2. The doctrine that changes in the earth's fauna and flora result from major catastrophic events that cause the die-off of many organisms and are followed by the appearance of new types of organisms.

And that was it. The Bible received a passing mention.

NO BIG DEAL.

The argument made here on this thread is that this ‘back and forth’ discussion on an amendment should never have even been a point of discussion while these folks were involved in creating final curriculum strands and lessons.

And then comparisons were made with ludicrous examples that have absolutely nothing to do with scientific endeavor and/or theories.

As I said earlier…crazy town.

Some folks here…secular humanist progressive liberals want to shut down alternative points of view because they don’t fit their worldview. RATHER than allowing for discussion and resolution.

THAT, folks, is dangerous.

There was a whole lot of hay being made out of nothing by Doc and others. That is ANOTHER lame strategy that is practiced ad nauseam around these parts.

I’ve learned SO much about the minds of ex Mormons as I’ve participated on this thread. Folks will lie, create strawmen, do hatchet jobs with context, and misinterpret (purposfully methinks) and misrepresent…and just be plain dishonest.

Again, crazy town.

I again invite others and those that are lurking to go back and read the thread or browse through it and see for yourself what I’m talking about.

This place IS crazy town. Truth is a rare commodity it seems.

OK. Now I think I’ll take a bit of a break and check back at a later time.

I expect I’ve ruffled a few feathers.

Go DeSantis!!! Protect parental rights!!!

Disney, shame on you.

G’nite.

Regards,
MG