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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:41 pm
[Eric Adler] argues in favor of teaching values in higher Ed.
Any chance of a brief summary? From the Amazon blurb, it sounds as though the book is certainly trying to do something good.

I took a few English courses and one history seminar as undergrad electives, and found them really interesting and quite different from all my math and physics. I’ve always wanted there to be a clear case for thriving humanities departments at universities.

The “cross-training” arguments, about critical thinking and communication skills, have always seemed self-defeating, however. If the point of studying 17th-century poems, say, is to learn how to assess 21st-century business plans, then why not just study 21st-century business plans directly and cut out the middleman?

I‘ve been listening for better arguments, hoping to hear them, but I’m at a German technische Universität with no humanities departments, so I’m not going to hear them around me, and I’m not the right person to construct these arguments myself.

How well does Adler do?
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Physics Guy wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:09 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:41 pm
[Eric Adler] argues in favor of teaching values in higher Ed.
Any chance of a brief summary? From the Amazon blurb, it sounds as though the book is certainly trying to do something good.

I took a few English courses and one history seminar as undergrad electives, and found them really interesting and quite different from all my math and physics. I’ve always wanted there to be a clear case for thriving humanities departments at universities.

The “cross-training” arguments, about critical thinking and communication skills, have always seemed self-defeating, however. If the point of studying 17th-century poems, say, is to learn how to assess 21st-century business plans, then why not just study 21st-century business plans directly and cut out the middleman?

I‘ve been listening for better arguments, hoping to hear them, but I’m at a German technische Universität with no humanities departments, so I’m not going to hear them around me, and I’m not the right person to construct these arguments myself.

How well does Adler do?
Here's an interesting article: https://css.cua.edu/wp-content/uploads/ ... ersity.pdf
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Here’s what this nonbeliever will be worrying about tonight: that my kid who is going out to a bar on a date will be assaulted or killed by some armed nutcase hopped up on eliminationist hysteria by MG 2.0’s fellow god-fearing culture warriors based solely on the way they choose to dress.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:34 pm
Here’s what this nonbeliever will be worrying about tonight: that my kid who is going out to a bar on a date will be assaulted or killed by some armed nutcase hopped up on eliminationist hysteria by MG 2.0’s fellow god-fearing culture warriors based solely on the way they choose to dress.
I don’t know what to say. Here’s hoping they will first run into some godless atheist like me or one of my kids, or my friends who have a local bar and restaurant, or my godless neighbors. Or even my godless atheist municipal councilperson, who grew up with my oldest kid.

Every last one of us are godless atheists who will have their back in a heartbeat if it looks like they are being harassed.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:29 pm
Martha Washington was the wife of George Washington.

That statement contains both gender identity and sexual orientation. It should be banned from elementary school.

Disney, and anyone else that thinks the above sentence regarding the Washingtons should be taught to elementary aged kids is vile liberal socialist Marxist, and living a life without values.

Thank you Ron DeSantis,and other freedom liberty lovers for keeping our kids safe. A pox on Disney.

Now, let's get back to passing legislation to keep critical race theory out of our elementary schools. Oh, and advanced nuclear physics. Because both of those are equally being taught to elementary kids, and we small government folks need more government for things that aren't even happening, because freedom.
If the 2 sentences after that statement says something like this:
"They married on 6 January 1759 at her New Kent home. Although they had no children together, they brought up her children and grandchildren."

then there's more trouble - I count 5 of the dreaded pronouns in these two sentences.

(useful trivia: Marjorie Taylor-Greene and Lavern Spicer apparently claimed that Jesus never used pronouns!)
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Marcus wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:52 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:34 pm
Here’s what this nonbeliever will be worrying about tonight: that my kid who is going out to a bar on a date will be assaulted or killed by some armed nutcase hopped up on eliminationist hysteria by MG 2.0’s fellow god-fearing culture warriors based solely on the way they choose to dress.
I don’t know what to say. Here’s hoping they will first run into some godless atheist like me or one of my kids, or my friends who have a local bar and restaurant, or my godless neighbors. Or even my godless atheist municipal councilperson, who grew up with my oldest kid.

Every last one of us are godless atheists who will have their back in a heartbeat if it looks like they are being harassed.
You did know what to say, and it was perfect. Your kind words brought tears to my eyes. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I know it’s very unlikely to happen, but that fact doesn’t satisfy the part of my brain that worries. Of all the things to worry about as a parent, I never dreamed of having to worry about something like this.

I draw lots of consolation from the fact that there are many good people regardless of race, religion, or gender identification that would have my kid’s back.

Thanks so much for reminding me of the best reason not to worry.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:06 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:52 pm

I don’t know what to say. Here’s hoping they will first run into some godless atheist like me or one of my kids, or my friends who have a local bar and restaurant, or my godless neighbors. Or even my godless atheist municipal councilperson, who grew up with my oldest kid.

Every last one of us are godless atheists who will have their back in a heartbeat if it looks like they are being harassed.
You did know what to say, and it was perfect. Your kind words brought tears to my eyes. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I know it’s very unlikely to happen, but that fact doesn’t satisfy the part of my brain that worries. Of all the things to worry about as a parent, I never dreamed of having to worry about something like this.

I draw lots of consolation from the fact that there are many good people regardless of race, religion, or gender identification that would have my kid’s back.

Thanks so much for reminding me of the best reason not to worry.
Res, we're never as alone as we think we are. I have a close family member who's in the same boat as your kid. Now that they're off on their own, I worry about them all the time. I admit that every time you mention your kid, my heart soars. Thank you for your authenticity.
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Morley wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:37 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:06 pm


You did know what to say, and it was perfect. Your kind words brought tears to my eyes. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I know it’s very unlikely to happen, but that fact doesn’t satisfy the part of my brain that worries. Of all the things to worry about as a parent, I never dreamed of having to worry about something like this.

I draw lots of consolation from the fact that there are many good people regardless of race, religion, or gender identification that would have my kid’s back.

Thanks so much for reminding me of the best reason not to worry.
Res, we're never as alone as we think we are. I have a close family member who's in the same boat as your kid. Now that they're off on their own, I worry about them all the time. I admit that every time you mention your kid, my heart soars. Thank you for your authenticity.
Thanks, Morley. Very much appreciated.
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Protect and love all the kids—that’s what people of good will and good character will do, regardless of their religious views. Don’t eff with the kids in my presence, or there will be hell to pay.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:44 pm
Protect and love all the kids—that’s what people of good will and good character will do, regardless of their religious views. Don’t eff with the kids in my presence, or there will be hell to pay.
Amen, Reverend.

I arrived home to learn the date has been rescheduled, so I defer that particular worry and just enjoy a beautiful evening in the Pacific Northwest.
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