If plates then God

[malkie]

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Oh, and malkie, when you met me years ago I was a nice guy. Still am. Whatever the drama kings and queens say.

That’s it.

Cry me a river if I’ve hurt some overly sensitive souls.

Regards,
MG

I beg to differ, MG - otherwise I would have had nothing to say. Meeting you was one of the highlights of our trip, back in 2015. That, and reconnecting with a lady I baptized about 40 years earlier.

But, hey - us overly sensitive souls do get hurt sometimes.

Well, you called it, Morley, on every single count:

I'm guessing that this is one of MG's moves to subtly disparage you, IHQ. Marcus, tagriffy, Res Ipsa, malkie, and others have repeatly pointed out this ongoing tendency. MG will neither ever own it, nor stop doing it. When he's called out on it, he tells you to grow a pair or says you have a victim mentality. After that, he'll often either claim that he's being canceled or that you're godlessly maligning all believers. This is all a part of his not inconsiderable charm.

edit: To be honest, it's not even the continuous, subtle derogation of others that bothers me. It's the disingenuousness of the denials.

For me, it's more disappointment than anything else.

I think I need an attitude adjustment, to qualify for the "missing" beatitude: "Blessed are the pessimists, for they expect little and thus are seldom disappointed."

[I Have Questions]

I would also like you to explain what “IHAQBKA” stands for.

I'm guessing that this is one of MG's moves to subtly disparage you, IHQ. Marcus, tagriffy, Res Ipsa, malkie, and others have repeatly pointed out this ongoing tendency. MG will neither ever own it, nor stop doing it. When he's called out on it, he tells you to grow a pair or says you have a victim mentality. After that, he'll often either claim that he's being canceled or that you're godlessly maligning all believers. This is all a part of his not inconsiderable charm.



edit: To be honest, it's not even the continuous, subtle derogation of others that bothers me. It's the disingenuousness of the denials.

The challenge Morley is for people to realise that MG2.0 is not like most other people. It’s clear he’s got narcissistic personality disorder. Most people would be bothered by your negatively changed perception of them, but not a narcissist. A narcissist would blame you for it. Which is exactly what happened. If you feel that there’s a chance that MG2.0 might be persuaded to something by someone on this board, forget it. That’s a waste of effort. Narcissists cannot change, it’s a personality disorder. They can pretend for a while if they feel it suits their purposes, but ultimately their mask will always slip. MG2.0’s mask always slips. I ask him questions as I’m fascinated by how the narcissist works, and how they spiral when their self perceived superiority is challenged. MG2.0 isn’t here to discuss, to learn, to progress ideas etc. he’s here to be superior. He’s here to bolster his own self worth by trampling down people he views as inferior. He thinks he’s playing to an audience who can see him intellectually slap us lot around. In his mind, he’s winning and he’s brilliant at it.

He will never change, he’s incapable of change. What he did to grindael tells us that. When viewed as the narcissist that he is, MG2.0 is much less disappointing. In fact he’s positively predictable when you see it.

[MG 2.0]

I would also like you to explain what “IHAQBKA” stands for.

I'm guessing that this is one of MG's moves to subtly disparage you, IHQ. Marcus, tagriffy, Res Ipsa, malkie, and others have repeatly pointed out this ongoing tendency. MG will neither ever own it, nor stop doing it. When he's called out on it, he tells you to grow a pair or says you have a victim mentality. After that, he'll often either claim that he's being canceled or that you're godlessly maligning all believers. This is all a part of his not inconsiderable charm.



edit: To be honest, it's not even the continuous, subtle derogation of others that bothers me. It's the disingenuousness of the denials.

Hi Morley. We meet again. Looks like you popped in with the intent to disparage me.

See my response to IHAQ.

Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:39 pm

And also today.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I'm guessing that this is one of MG's moves to subtly disparage you, IHQ. Marcus, tagriffy, Res Ipsa, malkie, and others have repeatly pointed out this ongoing tendency. MG will neither ever own it, nor stop doing it. When he's called out on it, he tells you to grow a pair or says you have a victim mentality. After that, he'll often either claim that he's being canceled or that you're godlessly maligning all believers. This is all a part of his not inconsiderable charm.



edit: To be honest, it's not even the continuous, subtle derogation of others that bothers me. It's the disingenuousness of the denials.

The challenge Morley is for people to realise that MG2.0 is not like most other people.

I think we all have certain things in common and other things that are unique to us.

It’s clear he’s got narcissistic personality disorder.

And here we go with the armchair psychoanalysis.

Most people would be bothered by your negatively changed perception of them…

They would? Morley is just some guy that pops in to say stuff now and then. I think most people would not be much concerned with what he has to say. It’s just a message board.

…but not a narcissist.

Apply that sticker. Press it hard.

A narcissist would blame you for it.

Blame him for what? What is “it”?

Which is exactly what happened.

What is it that happened again?

If you feel that there’s a chance that MG2.0 might be persuaded to something by someone on this board, forget it. That’s a waste of effort.

Well, I do have my own views, just like others. I’m open to adjustments in my thinking…just as I’m sure others here are.

Narcissists cannot change…

Rub it a bit harder. Make sure the label sticks.

…it’s a personality disorder.

Yes, narcissism in its extreme forms can lead to a personality disorder. Narcissistic behavior, on the other hand, is something that we all have have in common. Each one of us…well most of us…are continually trying to overcome selfishness and greed and other human frailties that keep us from looking and feeling for the ‘other’. I’m sure you are narcissistic at times.

They can pretend for a while if they feel it suits their purposes, but ultimately their mask will always slip.

The label is stuck on securely now.

MG2.0’s mask always slips.

Meaning what? I do ‘stand up’ and remain steadfast in response to a barrage that typically comes my way. I don’t see that as a fault. Steadfast in the fact that I am able to listen, assimilate what others are saying, and then make my own reasoned analysis without simply following the crowd of critics.

I ask him questions as I’m fascinated by how the narcissist works, and how they spiral when their self perceived superiority is challenged.

From this point on in responding to you I will ignore your false perceptions and labels and answer your questions absent the label/sticker you’re attempting to make stick.

MG2.0 isn’t here to discuss, to learn, to progress ideas etc.

BS

…he’s here to be superior.

In my mind I look at everyone as a child of God and worthy of some degree of respect and compassion. I try not in my real life and here to not look at myself as being better than anyone else. Do I get frustrated with what I perceive as being the shenanigans that I observe in a forum where the echo chamber effect runs in full force? Sure.

But it is what it is. I cannot change that.

He’s here to bolster his own self worth by trampling down people he views as inferior.

I don’t need to bolster my own self worth by participating here. My self worth comes from my interactions with those in my life. My family. My religious beliefs and community. My abilities to serve usefully in the world at large. Etc.

My self worth is in no way impacted by participating on this board.

What you see as “trampling down” is me standing up and expressing my own point of view and thinking in response to what I see as ideologies and ideas that I see as harmful in many respects. The side discussion we’ve been having on this board in regards to free agency would be a good example.

He thinks he’s playing to an audience who can see him intellectually slap us lot around. In his mind, he’s winning and he’s brilliant at it.

May I say at this juncture, again, that in a venue such as this it is so easy to play armchair psychoanalyst. This is the world we live in unfortunately. Separated by time and space with little or no consequence for what we say, we can judge and convict other people whose views we disagree with or are not able to successfully challenge. Look at the comment sections in newspapers and other online opinion venues.

Look at what is occurring as IHAQ sets up a response to my previous post based upon a mischaracterization of an individual that he doesn’t know at all except for his false portrayals.

What a world.

And “winning”? Maybe. At least from where I sit. I am often not impressed and/or convinced with the arguments put forward here. Although there are times when I pick up up on something useful. Kishkumen, physicsguy, and a few others have interesting things to say at times that broaden my perspective and understanding.

He will never change, he’s incapable of change.

Dude. I look for change and betterment EVERY day. Narcissism in the way you are describing?

Absolute BS.

Unfortunately you are not able to sit across the table from me. You are not able to interview my family and my associates. But you are free, in a forum such as this, to stir up a pot and make false accusations. And it literally is an echo chamber of sorts.

It is what it is.

What he did to grindael tells us that.

Not going there. I will let you have your opinion and final conclusions as to what that was all about.

When viewed as the narcissist that he is…

Sorry, I’m going to tear that label off. I know myself better than anyone. Am I selfish at times? Yes. Do I often think of my own needs and then have to reconsider those as I think of and act on the needs of others? Yes.

I’m as human as the rest. A regular guy. A narcissist in the sense you’re painting me to be?

No.

MG2.0 is much less disappointing. In fact he’s positively predictable when you see it.

I won’t argue that in many ways I am predictable. My wife and kids will testify to that.

IHAQ, apparently I touched a nerve with you. With some folks, because of contributing factors that remain unseen in a virtual community, that seems to be a very easy thing to do. You are responding in your own way based upon your own premises and life experience with others and the church.

And possibly God.

It is what it is.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

But, hey - us overly sensitive souls do get hurt sometimes.

In a forum such as this where we are discussing those things that have direct impact on our worldview and how we live our lives that is bound to happen.

Sensitivity levels go up significantly.

We have to constantly keep ourselves in check and not let our emotions determine what we say. Especially negative emotions.

That’s a challenge.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I think I need an attitude adjustment, to qualify for the "missing" beatitude: "Blessed are the pessimists, for they expect little and thus are seldom disappointed."

I often try and look at things from this point of view when I’m participating on this board and dealing with some people.

There once was a child who was so optimistic that, to test the extent of his optimism, his parents gave him a pile of horse manure. The kid's eyes open wide with delight. He dives into the pile and starts digging.

“What are you doing?” his parents ask.

The kid replies, “With this much manure, I'm betting there’s a pony in here!”

Imagine his disappointment when there wasn’t.

Maybe the true optimist would say “Horse manure! That’s so much better than what I expected! I thought you were going to give me anthrax for my birthday!”

Even manure is a happy gift when your expectations are low enough.

I often have low expectations. That way I am never disappointed.

Now and then, however, I am pleasantly surprised.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Mg seems to believe that even fake plates would lend credence to Smith's story. The thing is, it really, really wouldn't. In fact, it would just make Smith look worse, like a con who knew exactly what frauds he was perpetrating on his believing audience.

I agree with you. That’s why I’ve been arguing for the fact that there would have had to been real plates delivered by an angel in order for his story to hold water.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

There. Caught up. Whew!

Anything else to discuss that involves me, I’ll check in on and evaluate whether or not it deserves and/or needs a reply to in order to set things straight from my point of view and position.

Otherwise I will consider things to be wrapped up. It’s been a long ride/thread.

Thanks for the conversation.

It’s been time consuming but worthwhile.

Best to all.

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

I'm guessing that this is one of MG's moves to subtly disparage you, IHQ. Marcus, tagriffy, Res Ipsa, malkie, and others have repeatly pointed out this ongoing tendency. MG will neither ever own it, nor stop doing it. When he's called out on it, he tells you to grow a pair or says you have a victim mentality. After that, he'll often either claim that he's being canceled or that you're godlessly maligning all believers. This is all a part of his not inconsiderable charm.

edit: To be honest, it's not even the continuous, subtle derogation of others that bothers me. It's the disingenuousness of the denials.

Hi Morley. We meet again. Looks like you popped in with the intent to disparage me.

See my response to IHAQ.

Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:39 pm

And also today.

Indeed, I did. Not just as an intention, but in fact.

However, neither of your responses to IHQ, whether today or earlier, addressed any of the points I made to him.

[Morley]

Unless he completely fooled me at the time, the MG I met about 8 or 9 years ago was quite different from the 2.0 version.

A year or two back I pointed out to him that he seemed to be becoming like some of the people he criticised for their meanness. If I recall correctly, his reply was to the effect that "they deserve it". This, in part, is what makes me much less likely to want to respond to him.

Thanks for commenting on this, malkie. Though, unfortunately, I've never had the chance to meet MG, this assessment mirrors my experience with him on this board.