Biden needs to step aside

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Re: Biden needs to step aside

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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:32 am
I hear you, Morely, but do you think throwing in a Newsom this late in the game is a winning strategy? I think the panic is overblown. Biden could do a lot better in the next debate. Obama threw the first debate against Romney.
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Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:09 am
He's sharp, detail oriented, and deeply focused!
He may be. Trump never was. Never.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:00 am
ajax18 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:50 pm
Why are you all so surprised to find out that BIden is actually senile and incompetent? Perhaps this is montage of mainstream media cilps singing the praises of Joe Biden from just a few weeks ago will explain why you are so surprised. It stars at 5:15

https://www.dailywire.com/episode/ep-1994
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See Biden's fiery speech after shaky debate performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8
That was a real banger, Jersey Girl. Maybe next debate he’ll perform better. I also think in a week everyone will have moved on - November is a long way away, politically.

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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:34 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:32 am
Now that was bloody magnificent!! No crap.
Why, thank you, Jersey!
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:20 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:00 am
Hey Ajax. Eat crap and die.

See Biden's fiery speech after shaky debate performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8
That was a real banger, Jersey Girl. Maybe next debate he’ll perform better. I also think in a week everyone will have moved on - November is a long way away, politically.

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Yeah it was pretty darn great. Of course they didn't even mention it on what I heard on Fox today and I hear it a LOT.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:00 am
ajax18 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:50 pm
Why are you all so surprised to find out that BIden is actually senile and incompetent? Perhaps this is montage of mainstream media cilps singing the praises of Joe Biden from just a few weeks ago will explain why you are so surprised. It stars at 5:15

https://www.dailywire.com/episode/ep-1994
Hey Ajax. Eat crap and die.

See Biden's fiery speech after shaky debate performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:44 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:00 am
Hey Ajax. Eat crap and die.

See Biden's fiery speech after shaky debate performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:41 pm
I admittedly played ostrich last night. I heard a snippet when I walked downstairs and that was it. Now I've seen clips.

Question: Where in the hell was this guy last night?

See Biden's fiery speech after shaky debate performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

Last night he looked like he didn't have the strength or capacity to light a match. Now he breaks out a blow torch?
Like you, I wish he had displayed more of that fire during the debate, though I acknowledge that the agreed upon constraints and rules imposed on it may have made it difficult for him to do so. Besides that, as I have heard someone else remark, it is difficult to effectively debate anything with a pathological liar like Trump who glibly and confidently lies virtually any time he opens his mouth. Just fact-checking a fraction of what he claimed would have taken more than the entire time than allotted for the debate!
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Morley wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:06 pm
Should Biden not pull out, I would support him. I’d vote for a wet dishrag over Trump. But, dangerous as an open Democratic Convention would be, I think it would fare better than a continued Biden candidacy. Between now and November, this is not going to be his only slip. We’re in for a tough ride. I fear it will end in disaster.
Morley, I just wanted to come back to this and emphasize that I do think you have very legitimate concerns. I might disagree about the best strategy for November, but I think Democrats have some long-term thinking they need to get their heads wrapped around and fast. Although the GenZers in my life are still going to support Biden I'm not sure how many more election cycles we have of them feeling ignored before we face real consequences.

That isn't only in reference to the actual candidate selection either. But rather policy positions and messaging as well. Democrats have yet to figure out the difficult balancing act of preserving the old blue dog and centrist elements of the part while appealing to the more leftist wing. Understandably the balancing act was heavily disrupted by the GOPs strategic shift, specifically around Trump and Project 2025, that left Democrat leadership uncertain on what to do.
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Hey Kish
Kishkumen wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:57 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:11 pm
As a human being: Heartbreaking to watch - I felt for Biden's family - I struggle to understand how his inner circle could possibly have allowed him to take the stage.

As an American citizen: Watching the sitting President was very troubling/concerning on several levels.

As a Christian: I am saddened as I anticipate how many will use this heart-wrenching event to mock and humiliate a human being for political gains. Understanding how many families face similar/difficult situations with a loved one, I find myself overflowing with empathy and compassion.
Nice thoughts. I would say that many if not most 80+ folk have bad days.
First, I appreciate the grace and kindness that you so often extend to me. I sincerely mean that.

If this were just a bad day, I would agree with you. This is not that. This is clear. If anyone wishes to pretend otherwise, I guess I don't have any real issues with that. Pretend away.

In my opinion, the collective we ought to be protecting people who find themselves in this condition. In an attempt to be clear, I am not talking about political policies of any politician, I am not talking about Trump, I am not talking about comparing candidates on a ballot. I am not talking about voting. I am not talking about democracy.

Look, if Biden was my father/brother/loved one, I would have never allowed him to be thrown in an ocean of hungry sharks (a.k.a. - a debate viewed by the world - allies and enemies) - Given the obvious situation, I am sure there is a way that the DNC/his inner circle/The Constitution could create a path were he could step away with dignity and respect. In my opinion, that is the kind thing to do - it is exactly what should be done for Biden, for Biden's loved ones, for those who love and support Biden, and for America.
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