The Political Impact of Failed Assassination

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Re: The Political Impact of Failed Assassination

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Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:52 am
ceeboo wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:46 am
Trump is a master of playing his character and making the right calls when he's got the spotlight on him?

He should run for President of The United States!
It would be really ideal, were it not for the fact that he is:

Amoral
A pathological liar
A convicted felon
A con artist
Largely ignorant regarding the Constitution
Called for the Constitution to be suspended
Unironically described his first day in office in a completely unconstitutional way (dictator only on day one)
Tried to stop the count of electoral ballots in the election he lost by inciting a mob to storm the Capitol
The list can go on . . . and on . . .
Then you should definitely vote for the old old old old guy that loves war. Way better. I am curious, why do you get so worked up about a guy you won't vote for but show no passion for the guy you will vote for? You know people disagree with the factual content and relative content of your list, so why bother getting twisted without any passion for any argument to make your own better choice?
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Re: The Political Impact of Failed Assassination

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Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:48 am
Is your daughter Donald Trump?
No.
Are you?
No,
Did either of you encourage a mob to storm the Capitol?
No and neither did Trump.
Cute. My guess is you don’t know the first thing about Freudian psychology, ‘cause this ain’t that.
Your guess would be correct.
This is good old fashioned observation of Trump’s behavior.
I have no issues with you making your own observations.
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Re: The Political Impact of Failed Assassination

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ceeboo wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:59 am
I am not nearly as comfortable as you are with all of these suggestions and assumptions. Other than an apparent assassination attempt, I know exactly nothing about this 20-year-old man.
Let me put it this way: the human brain is not fully developed until age 24/5. That’s just a fact. Such immature brains are likely to do stupid things. That’s why I say he was a kid. Because he was. It seems you think I am trying to absolve him of responsibility by saying that—why don’t you come out and say so?—but I am not.

Thus far he fits the profile of other lonely kids who have done monstrous things because they lacked meaning and social connection in their lives. That will probably end up being the best explanation for what happened.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Re: The Political Impact of Failed Assassination

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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:57 am
But by all means, please continue to try and extract something out of my words that I obviously didn't intend.
I just quoted your post.
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ceeboo wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:06 am
No and neither did Trump.
Uh, yes he did.
I have no issues with you making your own observations.
They are pretty damn good ones too.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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True, you have a knack for quoting the words of my posts while ignoring obvious context. I don't always feel like posting lengthy posts where I spell everything out. Like I said, I don't mind if you continue to do this, I'll happily update you as necessary so there's no misunderstandings.
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Re: The Political Impact of Failed Assassination

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Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:08 am
ceeboo wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:59 am
I am not nearly as comfortable as you are with all of these suggestions and assumptions. Other than an apparent assassination attempt, I know exactly nothing about this 20-year-old man.
Let me put it this way: the human brain is not fully developed until age 24/5. That’s just a fact. Such immature brains are likely to do stupid things. That’s why I say he was a kid. Because he was. It seems you think I am trying to absolve him of responsibility by saying that—why don’t you come out and say so?
All I said is that I wasn't comfortable making suggestions about someone that I know nothing about. Nothing has changed in the last four minutes, so I still don't know anything about him, and I am still not comfortable making any suggestions about him.
Thus far he fits the profile of other lonely kids who have done monstrous things because they lacked meaning and social connection in their lives. That will probably end up being the best explanation for what happened.
Maybe?
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ceeboo wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:56 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:23 pm
Are you talking about a donation to ActBlue when he was 16 or 17?

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I wasn't going to post this - I don't think it matters that much, I was just making a reply to Kish - I understand that everything I am going to post might turn out to be false, especially in the world we live in today. Here is what I have heard:

He has never voted in a President election in his life (He just turn 18 two years ago) - His mom/dad are registered D and I - In 2021, at age 17, on Biden's inauguration day he made a donation on ActBlue ($15.00 confirmed by the federal election commission - earmarked for the progressive turnout project working to elect Biden) - So it seems in 2021 he was a Biden supporter. Later that year, upon turning 18, he registered as a Republican. Can't explain this?

As I said, I am not suggesting these are facts. I believe it's wise to wait for developments to develop.
I don’t know if this is true or not:

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Binger wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:01 am
Then you should definitely vote for the old old old old guy that loves war. Way better. I am curious, why do you get so worked up about a guy you won't vote for but show no passion for the guy you will vote for? You know people disagree with the factual content and relative content of your list, so why bother getting twisted without any passion for any argument to make your own better choice?
I don’t need to wait for my candidate to get shot at to decide I am voting for that person. I don’t need to fall in love with a candidate. My vote is a strategic choice as I said and reiterated some time ago.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Re: The Political Impact of Failed Assassination

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:24 am
ceeboo wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:56 pm

I wasn't going to post this - I don't think it matters that much, I was just making a reply to Kish - I understand that everything I am going to post might turn out to be false, especially in the world we live in today. Here is what I have heard:

He has never voted in a President election in his life (He just turn 18 two years ago) - His mom/dad are registered D and I - In 2021, at age 17, on Biden's inauguration day he made a donation on ActBlue ($15.00 confirmed by the federal election commission - earmarked for the progressive turnout project working to elect Biden) - So it seems in 2021 he was a Biden supporter. Later that year, upon turning 18, he registered as a Republican. Can't explain this?

As I said, I am not suggesting these are facts. I believe it's wise to wait for developments to develop.
I don’t know if this is true or not:

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While I haven't seen anything definitive yet I believe CNN stated the address associated with the donation matched.

Link and quote below:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/Trump ... index.html

Federal Election Commission records show that a donor listed as Thomas Crooks with the gunman’s street address gave $15 to Progressive Turnout Project, a Democratic-aligned political action committee, on Inauguration Day in January 2021, when Crooks was 17.

A spokesperson for Progressive Turnout Project said in an email that the group had received the donation “in response to an email about tuning into the inauguration” and that “the email address associated with the contribution only made the one contribution and was unsubscribed from our lists 2 years ago.”

“We unequivocally condemn political violence in all of its forms, and we denounce anyone who chooses violence over peaceful political action,” the spokesperson wrote.


I thought it seemed shown the donation was by another person of the same name as well, having seen similar postings. I appreciate ceebs challenging that, too. Better to know I was wrong and have a chance to correct.
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