Are there still liberal Mormons?

[MG 2.0]

Glad to hear your children are happy and well adjusted adults. That’s what we all hope for and want for our kids. I will take issue with the fact that you misspoke when you said that I could not conceive of people outside of the church being “happy, well educated, thoughtful, and hard working good people that have morals”.

no, you can't. You've stated that repeatedly.

Sheesh.

I’m not a Midgely.

yes, you are.

The list I provided earlier in this thread are those I look to as being folks to look to for their knowledge and experience.

You get it wrong so often, Marcus.

No, I don't.

Also, I would take issue with your portrayal of the LDS Church as a “cult”. It’s not. I’ve been around longer than you have (I think)…and I can tell you as one that has remained active all my life…the church is not a cult.

Yes, it is.

I am sorry that you along with others have had horrible experiences that have played a part in shattering your outlook towards the church as a whole.

no, I know the LDS church is not a legitimate religion, based on my research.

As it is, most members (if those I’ve known over the years are any indication) are not the ‘beasts’ that you have had the unfortunate experience of living with and associating with in your family.

And yet, you've demonstrated repeatedly you are exactly that asshole I described.

My heart goes out to you.

no it doesn't. For all the years I've watched you post, and say crappy things to nonmormons, I know that's a lie.

I can tell you that I don’t think you would have gone this trajectory of abuse in our family or many other families. I don’t know if yours was an anomaly, but it’s not par for the course in my experience.

BS. Based on the people you've abused here, multiple times and in multiple ways over multiple years, it's clear you've ostracized many.

Our extended family has ex-members, gays, and pimos.

prove it. Based on how you post here, there is no chance that you treat people in real life any differently than you treat people here.

We get together, we go out to eat here and there and we see each other as people that deserve respect and dignity for their/our choices.

lol. Based on how you've treated people here, there is no chance that is true.

I hope we’re not the outliers. I don’t think we are.

You're not an outlier. You are a liar.

I hope this was therapeutic for you as you are apparently still working out your stuff.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Hi Morley. We had both. I may be off on the timeline. This was a long time ago. If I misspoke on the chronology, I’m sorry. Especially if that somehow is an issue for you.

Memories fade sometimes when it comes to what took place when. I didn’t write it in my journal.

So your witness testimony was unreliable...

I’m not sure how old you are, IHAQ, but yes, memories (especially remembering exact timelines) get fuzzy over time. Although I must say, my wife is much better remembering things from her past and our past than I am.

Maybe it’s a male thing.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

…and I can tell you as one that has remained active all my life…the church is not a cult.

Color me surprised that you used to claim you apostatized at one point in your life. I always knew you were lying about it so you could larp a comeback story.

[MG 2.0]

Eugene England

Lowell Bennion

Leonard Arrington

Hugh Nibley

James Talmage

John Widstoe

Terryl Givens

Richard Bushman

Patrick Mason

Adam Miller

Granted, some have taken some hard knocks. But many Mormon intellectuals know that’s going to come with the territory. They’re going to get it from both/all directions.

But that’s part of the fun.

Regards,
MG

It looks like you agree. I’ve read the verbal gymnastics of more than a few of these fellows as they try to justify their faith. They each make it apparent how very difficult it is be both an intellectual and a Mormon. Managing the intellectual compromises required apparently is not easy.

As I look through this list I have to think that each of these folks, along with many others in the church that are more or less not as well known, have a vibrant ‘life of the mind’. I, personally, have never felt that I needed to restrict my thoughts in regards to investigating and thinking about the ‘world out there’.

I’m built that way as I’m sure many other church members are.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I’m sure there are still broad-minded members who are open to new ideas and who would like the Church to reform a few things.

I’m sure that’s always been the case. Nothing new there.

That’s part of being human.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

…and I can tell you as one that has remained active all my life…the church is not a cult.

Color me surprised that you used to claim you apostatized at one point in your life. I always knew you were lying about it so you could larp a comeback story.

I never apostatized Doc.

Am I guilty of being a free thinker? Guilty as charged. I think God gave us a brain to use as we see fit. It’s a gift.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

So your witness testimony was unreliable...

…yes, memories (especially remembering exact timelines) get fuzzy over time.

You’d do well to remember that when considering the veracity of the First Vision accounts or the Book of Mormon witnesses. Where you wholeheartedly rely upon the memory of males…

[I Have Questions]

Am I guilty of being a free thinker? Guilty as charged.

That’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.

[MG 2.0]

…yes, memories (especially remembering exact timelines) get fuzzy over time.

You’d do well to remember that when considering the veracity of the First Vision accounts or the Book of Mormon witnesses. Where you wholeheartedly rely upon the memory of males…

Of course. I’ll take that in mind. Wait…already have.

Timelines as to exactly when things happen can get fuzzy. But the substance/meat of the memory is still there. Often quote vividly.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Am I guilty of being a free thinker? Guilty as charged.

That’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.

Be that as it may, it is true.

Regards,
MG