The Rise in Political Violence

[Res Ipsa]

A question for anyone who feels the Democrat party is primarily driven by identity politics:

How would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?

And, does that distinction matter to you?

The folks who make a big issue out of identity pretend that “black” is an identity but “white” is not; that “female” is, but “male” is not; that “gay” is, but “straight” is not; that “atheist” is but “Christian” is not; that “trans” is, but “cis” is not. All politics is identity politics. Accusing Haitians of eating pets is identity politics. Claiming Americans are held hostage in their homes by immigrants who are savage animals and not people is identity politics. Calling a black female Vice President a”ho” and a “c” is identity politics. Only the lucky members of majority identity groups have the luxury of pretending that they don’t engage in identity politics.

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The folks who make a big issue out of identity pretend that “black” is an identity but “white” is not;

Generally speaking (there are always exceptions) this is not true. In addition, it is my opinion that the great majority of folks who make a big deal out of identity are, obviously, the people who are obsessed with, engage in, and marinate in divisive and destructive identity politics.

that “female” is, but “male” is not; that “gay” is, but “straight” is not; that “atheist” is but “Christian” is not; that “trans” is, but “cis” is not. All politics is identity politics. Accusing Haitians of eating pets is identity politics. Claiming Americans are held hostage in their homes by immigrants who are savage animals and not people is identity politics. Calling a black female Vice President a”ho” and a “c” is identity politics.

With all due respect, I think this is complete nonsense.

Only the lucky members of majority identity groups have the luxury of pretending that they don’t engage in identity politics.

If this were true (I don't believe it's even close to being true), how would you explain someone like a Joe Biden?

[canpakes]

… I'm a racist prick.

… you were … not being a prick …

That was kind of you to say, Ceeboo. ; )

[honorentheos]

A question for anyone who feels the Democrat party is primarily driven by identity politics:

How would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?

And, does that distinction matter to you?

For me it boils down to the rhetoric of dehumanization. When a politician engages in such hateful speech and the audience roars its approval I think it’s safe to say we have some serious issues in this country that can’t be solved with a good economy, a strong military, or pointless platitudes of “coming together.” Not sure how to get things back on track where citizens feel unified as Americans. Alien invasion?

- Doc

Hey Cam,

I suspect you are right. I guess I find the way Ceeboo presented his response as self-deceptive. He comments on how focused the Democratic party is on identity politics yet it's the right wing media that can't stop talking about identity politics. Over here? It's about rights. Two human beings want to marry? Cool. Someone experiences a health issue, which gender dysphoria is, and seeks treatment? Cool. Put a label on it and scream about how the party that is seeking to better realize the vision of the founding fathers in declaring "All (hu)men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with unalienable rights" are in fact dragging America down?

That guy needs to explain the difference.

[honorentheos]

A question for anyone who feels the Democrat party is primarily driven by identity politics:

How would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?

And, does that distinction matter to you?

The folks who make a big issue out of identity pretend that “black” is an identity but “white” is not; that “female” is, but “male” is not; that “gay” is, but “straight” is not; that “atheist” is but “Christian” is not; that “trans” is, but “cis” is not. All politics is identity politics. Accusing Haitians of eating pets is identity politics. Claiming Americans are held hostage in their homes by immigrants who are savage animals and not people is identity politics. Calling a black female Vice President a”ho” and a “c” is identity politics. Only the lucky members of majority identity groups have the luxury of pretending that they don’t engage in identity politics.

Hey Res,

Agreed, though I do think there is policy and political ideology as alternatives. As noted in the quote from Barbara Walters on the indicators a country is primed for civil war is "citizens in a country organise themselves into political parties based on ethnic, religious, or racial identity rather than ideology."

Ceeboo may think this is all Democrats pushing identity politics but he'd probably wonder why it was left off the agenda in most Democrat rallies. Trump? Does the guy ever talk about anything OTHER than identity politics?

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"Ceeboo may think this is all Democrats pushing identity politics but he'd probably wonder why it was left off the agenda in most Democrat rallies.

Ceeboo doesn't think this is the case, Ceeboo knows that the current democrat administration has been bathing in constant divisive and destructive identity politics. Anybody that has functioning eyes and ears would know this as well.

In addition, Ceeboo doesn't wonder why identity politics has been left off the agenda - Ceeboo knows exactly why it has been intentionally left off of the agenda. It's the same reason that the catastrophic border failure has been left off the agenda.

[honorentheos]

"Ceeboo may think this is all Democrats pushing identity politics but he'd probably wonder why it was left off the agenda in most Democrat rallies.

Ceeboo doesn't think this is the case, Ceeboo knows that the current democrat administration has been bathing in constant divisive and destructive identity politics. Anybody that has functioning eyes and ears would know this as well.

In addition, Ceeboo doesn't wonder why identity politics has been left off the agenda - Ceeboo knows exactly why it has been intentionally left off of the agenda. It's the same reason that the catastrophic border failure has been left off the agenda.

Ceeboo knows?

Lol.

Seriously, how would you tell the difference between a person pushing identity and someone defending agnostic application of human rights?

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Ceeboo doesn't think this is the case, Ceeboo knows that the current democrat administration has been bathing in constant divisive and destructive identity politics. Anybody that has functioning eyes and ears would know this as well.

In addition, Ceeboo doesn't wonder why identity politics has been left off the agenda - Ceeboo knows exactly why it has been intentionally left off of the agenda. It's the same reason that the catastrophic border failure has been left off the agenda.

Ceeboo knows?

Ceeboo does know.

The question is does the supremely enlightened honor know why identity politics was left off the agenda?

[honorentheos]

Ceeboo knows?

Ceeboo does know.

The question is does the supremely enlightened honor know why identity politics was left off the agenda?

The question was how would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?

And, does that distinction matter to you?

[ceeboo]

Ceeboo does know.

The question is does the supremely enlightened honor know why identity politics was left off the agenda?

The question was how would you distinguish an argument supporting agnostic human rights apply in the case of a same-sex couple or transgender person from an argument that it is about the person being transgender or privileging same-sex marriage?

And, does that distinction matter to you?

So, you don't know.

I must admit, for someone as enlightened as you project to be, I am a little disappointed that you don't know (This was a really easy one).