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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:58 am
Anyone voting is more than 4 years old and thus should remember who demaded the lockdowns and kept people out of work long after we knew that 99.96% of people under 70 with no comorbities were not at risk for death or disabilities. The fact that democratic socialist Europe was even more cowardly and foolish is no excuse. You made a call and now we're all stuck paying a horrendous price for it.
Don’t gaslight me, bro. I was on the bleeding edge of the lockdowns. We have a damn good hospital system in the Seattle area. And it was being crushed by the sheer numbers of patients combined with the complete absence of PPE.

No Governor wanted to lock down their states economy. That’s your 100% paranoid delusion. The governors that imposed any type of lockdown did so because they were facing a complete breakdown of their healthcare structure. What you deliberately close your eyes to is the reality of the situation facing my governors and others: nobody gets healthcare. Appendicitis is a death sentence. A heart attack is a death sentence. Dozens and dozens of other health problems escalate from very treatable conditions to death sentences.

There was one, and only one, US politician who took steps to shut the economy down when it wasn’t necessary was Donald Trump. With the public catching onto the fact that Trump had utterly failed Americans by doing the wrong thing and not doing the right things, he tried to keep the stock market looking good with a program encouraging lockdowns nationwide.

Now, I’m working from memory, but my recollection is that this national program was posted by Trump even though there had not been a single case of Covid in West Virginia. There was no reason to try flatten a curve that didn’t exist in West Virginia and many other areas of the country.

What those areas fortunate enough to not be victims of the initial, undetected entry and exponential spread of the disease needed was testing and the type of disease surveillance we routinely conduct with flu. Trump, however, expressed distaste for testing because it made his numbers look bad.

What he also failed to do was work with the private sector to manufacture the PPE that would prevent doctors and nurses from getting too sick to work or become The spreaders of infection throughout an entire hospital. He appointed his supremely unqualified son in law to head up an effort to get doctors PPE. And when American PPE manufacturers got together and created a plan for how government and private industry could get our doctors and nurses what they needed, the son in law told them flat out that he would not do anything that would allow the government to take any credit at all for fixing the problem. All Trump had to do was use his legal authority to sign an order that would make sure the manufacturers got paid for Walker they produced. Trump refused. Instead, he sabotaged the states that were trying procure the PPE they needed by bidding against them for foreign manufactured PPE.

If you want to be liar Mclieface, be my guest. But don’t expect the rest of us to put up with your paranoia fantasies.
So Trump’s suggestion of drinking bleach didn’t cure Covid? Who was to know…

It was similar in the UK. Lockdown was to prevent the complete collapse of the health system that was being overwhelmed with Covid related health issues.
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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:19 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 pm
Don’t gaslight me, bro. I was on the bleeding edge of the lockdowns. We have a damn good hospital system in the Seattle area. And it was being crushed by the sheer numbers of patients combined with the complete absence of PPE.

No Governor wanted to lock down their states economy. That’s your 100% paranoid delusion. The governors that imposed any type of lockdown did so because they were facing a complete breakdown of their healthcare structure. What you deliberately close your eyes to is the reality of the situation facing my governors and others: nobody gets healthcare. Appendicitis is a death sentence. A heart attack is a death sentence. Dozens and dozens of other health problems escalate from very treatable conditions to death sentences.

There was one, and only one, US politician who took steps to shut the economy down when it wasn’t necessary was Donald Trump. With the public catching onto the fact that Trump had utterly failed Americans by doing the wrong thing and not doing the right things, he tried to keep the stock market looking good with a program encouraging lockdowns nationwide.

Now, I’m working from memory, but my recollection is that this national program was posted by Trump even though there had not been a single case of Covid in West Virginia. There was no reason to try flatten a curve that didn’t exist in West Virginia and many other areas of the country.

What those areas fortunate enough to not be victims of the initial, undetected entry and exponential spread of the disease needed was testing and the type of disease surveillance we routinely conduct with flu. Trump, however, expressed distaste for testing because it made his numbers look bad.

What he also failed to do was work with the private sector to manufacture the PPE that would prevent doctors and nurses from getting too sick to work or become The spreaders of infection throughout an entire hospital. He appointed his supremely unqualified son in law to head up an effort to get doctors PPE. And when American PPE manufacturers got together and created a plan for how government and private industry could get our doctors and nurses what they needed, the son in law told them flat out that he would not do anything that would allow the government to take any credit at all for fixing the problem. All Trump had to do was use his legal authority to sign an order that would make sure the manufacturers got paid for Walker they produced. Trump refused. Instead, he sabotaged the states that were trying procure the PPE they needed by bidding against them for foreign manufactured PPE.

If you want to be liar Mclieface, be my guest. But don’t expect the rest of us to put up with your paranoia fantasies.
So Trump’s suggestion of drinking bleach didn’t cure Covid? Who was to know…

It was similar in the UK. Lockdown was to prevent the complete collapse of the health system that was being overwhelmed with Covid related health issues.
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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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I’ll give you two more reasons why the GOP votes for Trump:

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That’s a MAGA parade with Harris in chains. You couldn’t make this up if you tried.

And

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoomersBeingFools/s/xUZ3iKHfqV

“Getting them out will be a bloody operation.”

So. Again. Spare me your damned FEELINGS when YOU are voting for the monster who is kicking this crap off in America.

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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:51 am
So. Again. Spare me your damned FEELINGS when YOU are voting for the monster who is kicking this crap off in America.
I seriously have no way to explain Trump voters other then them being massively stupid, and I don't mind saying it, because they don't mind saying and doing endlessly stupid things.

If they are offended, they should stop the stupidity, but as long as it continues, they leave us no choice.
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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:17 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:47 am
I can think of a few reasons:

1. They want lower taxes
2. They are Christian nationalists
3. They are happy about the overturning of Roe v. Wade
4. They are frightened by the "Woke Mob"
5. They hate Democrats
6. They mistake Donald Trump for a patriotic man because he humped an American flag
7. They have authoritarian tendencies and think we need a strong leader
8. They are isolationists and believe that the world will be OK without American interventions
9. They are tired of "the establishment"
10. Watching the "right" media has sanitized Trump for them and they don't believe accurate reports of what he has actually said and done
11. A Trump presidency helps them feel justified in their own prejudices, phobias, ‘isms, and bigotries
This should actually be at the top of the list.

People tend to forget that the reasons people give for supporting him, are things that always described him when he first ran for President during the Obama administration and backed out after getting no support. So what changed? I wrote about this several times in the past. It is his racism that made him a candidate.

In early 2015 Trump was an afterthought. It was Jeb Bush and a slew of other Republicans leading in the polls for the nomination. But then suddenly in the summer of 2015, Trump gave his anti-immigrant speech and called Mexicans rapists and promised to build a wall at Mexico's expense. The media was outraged of course as they should be, but Trump's support skyrocketed as America's racists and uneducated losers who had been living in their parent's basements and cabins in the backwoods, came crawling out of the woodworks because they finally found their hero who would save them from those minorities they so despised. When he doubled down on his racism a few weeks later his support got even stronger and suddenly the guy who was trailing with just 2% support was now leading Bush, Cruz and Rubio by double digits. That kind of flip flop doesn't happen by accident.
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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:47 am
I can think of a few reasons:

1. They want lower taxes
2. They are Christian nationalists
3. They are happy about the overturning of Roe v. Wade
4. They are frightened by the "Woke Mob"
5. They hate Democrats
6. They mistake Donald Trump for a patriotic man because he humped an American flag
7. They have authoritarian tendencies and think we need a strong leader
8. They are isolationists and believe that the world will be OK without American interventions
9. They are tired of "the establishment"
10. Watching the "right" media has sanitized Trump for them and they don't believe accurate reports of what he has actually said and done
EMPHASIS MINE.

It really does just boil down to this, right? It doesn't matter who the Democrat candidate is, they are programmed to treat that person as an enemy of the country and a communist. Every Democrats is now the "radical left" coming out of Sean Hannity's mouth, and any caller that agrees with him he praises as a "great American." Their minds cannot conceive of any Democrat candidate worthy of their praise on any level.

I mean, we remember recently the GOP tried to put Herschel Walker in office as well. An absolute embarrassment of a human being. He sounded like the biggest idiot on the planet, babbling about werewolves killing vampires, and then running on a campaign to end abortion as several women he impregnated said he paid for their abortion. Even his own son spoke out against him as a hypocrite because he was such a crappy father. And yet my Facebook page was flooded with morons here in Georgia talking about Walker as if he were this righteous intellectual who was chosen by Jesus to help Trump beat the Democrats.

As Res said, The Democrats could run Jesus Christ himself and it wouldn't matter to them. The Right wing propaganda machine would smear him as a homeless loser who cares too much about being woke.
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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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Vēritās wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:09 am
It is his racism that made him a candidate.
Without a doubt.

And because the GOP and their base are addicted to fake outrage, calling them on their racism gives them an opportunity to whine about how they're persecuted rather than acknowledging the obvious truth.

A great example is their fake outrage over Biden calling the crap Trump supporters spew garbage. They aren't upset about that. They think it's an opportunity to claim "both sides do it." They are a BS machine, because BS is the only tool in the toolbox to make their racist goals real. If they really were really offended by what Biden said, they would be sick voting for Trump, because we all know he says worse daily.

They are damned liars. What other possible explanation is there?
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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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Vēritās wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:14 am
As Res said, The Democrats could run Jesus Christ himself and it wouldn't matter to them. The Right wing propaganda machine would smear him as a homeless loser who cares too much about being woke.
Yes, Trump is way more important than Jesus, which begs the question: just how bad does your judgment have to be to worship Trump over such a fine fictional character as Jesus?

Makes one wonder how seriously people take their religion, doesn't it? It also makes one wonder if people with poor judgment are attracted to religion (I'm not really wondering that anymore, actually).
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Re: Reasons People Vote Trump

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Vēritās wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:14 am
EMPHASIS MINE.

It really does just boil down to this, right? It doesn't matter who the Democrat candidate is, they are programmed to treat that person as an enemy of the country and a communist. Every Democrats is now the "radical left" coming out of Sean Hannity's mouth, and any caller that agrees with him he praises as a "great American." Their minds cannot conceive of any Democrat candidate worthy of their praise on any level.

I mean, we remember recently the GOP tried to put Herschel Walker in office as well. An absolute embarrassment of a human being. He sounded like the biggest idiot on the planet, babbling about werewolves killing vampires, and then running on a campaign to end abortion as several women he impregnated said he paid for their abortion. Even his own son spoke out against him as a hypocrite because he was such a crappy father. And yet my Facebook page was flooded with morons here in Georgia talking about Walker as if he were this righteous intellectual who was chosen by Jesus to help Trump beat the Democrats.

As Res said, The Democrats could run Jesus Christ himself and it wouldn't matter to them. The Right wing propaganda machine would smear him as a homeless loser who cares too much about being woke.
I think hating Democrats IS a big part of this.
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Vēritās wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:14 am
The Democrats could run Jesus Christ himself and it wouldn't matter to them. The Right-wing propaganda machine would smear him as a homeless loser who cares too much about being woke.
They will forcibly eject him from the country in a bloody confrontation. Blessed be the New Reich will be the slogan.
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