The center-right and center-left

[yellowstone123]

The comedian Bridget Phetasy explains on her ten-minute and thirty-five second Dumpster Fire broadcast who she is voting for and why. I think she echos the thoughts of a small minority who post on this board. I think many readers have similar thoughts but will never post because they don't want to set themselves up for a bad experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XQ8e0AEkQ

I think that is a realist explanation of why a lot of people voted Trump. You know just prevent teaching about slavery and kids wont hate America and will keep liking Robert E Lee statues on top of tall heroic pillars.

I have some sympathy for her skepticism about value of transgender operations. Somehow it never crossed my mind that that would be solved by electing Trump.

Thanks, Huckelberry. I appreciate your thoughts.

Im not an educator but I wonder if teaching the basics isn’t the way to go at the beginning. To learn about warts and all takes time which can be after basic studies but if it’s something that captures a person’s attention or something that one can teach at a university and write articles about then more power to them.

I took U.S history many times, but I’m also a Californian so in school we learned and learned about early California and father Sierra and all the missions like San Diego, San Juan Capistrano, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Louis Obispo, San Jose, San Francisco, all part of California. I don’t see petitions to change the names of those cities or the state. But Father Sierra doesn’t have a stellar record with those who lived on the land when he arrived. Most people eventually learn that.

The transgender issue is a tough call, but as to children I would wait.

In California we have laws about minors driving, at what time and who may be in the car. Also, before one buys a firearm, one needs to study a booklet and pass a written test. It’s about the different fire arms, how they operate and how to store them. It stresses repeatedly about the issues teenagers face and to ensure all firearms are secure when they are present. I guess my point is that teenage years are difficult enough so why add more difficulty in those years.

[huckelberry]

I think that is a realist explanation of why a lot of people voted Trump. You know just prevent teaching about slavery and kids wont hate America and will keep liking Robert E Lee statues on top of tall heroic pillars.

I have some sympathy for her skepticism about value of transgender operations. Somehow it never crossed my mind that that would be solved by electing Trump.

Thanks, Huckelberry. I appreciate your thoughts.

Im not an educator but I wonder if teaching the basics isn’t the way to go at the beginning. To learn about warts and all takes time which can be after basic studies but if it’s something that captures a person’s attention or something that one can teach at a university and write articles about then more power to them.

I took U.S history many times, but I’m also a Californian so in school we learned and learned about early California and father Sierra and all the missions like San Diego, San Juan Capistrano, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Louis Obispo, San Jose, San Francisco, all part of California. I don’t see petitions to change the names of those cities or the state. But Father Sierra doesn’t have a stellar record with those who lived on the land when he arrived. Most people eventually learn that.

The transgender issue is a tough call, but as to children I would wait.

In California we have laws about minors driving, at what time and who may be in the car. Also, before one buys a firearm, one needs to study a booklet and pass a written test. It’s about the different fire arms, how they operate and how to store them. It stresses repeatedly about the issues teenagers face and to ensure all firearms are secure when they are present. I guess my point is that teenage years are difficult enough so why add more difficulty in those years.

Hi Yellowstone, I think the matter of how to teach US history with both respect and reality presents tricky problems. I am not in touch with current public school procedure but am unaware of any reason to think effort to touch both sides of the problem does not happen. I suppose there is some sense in accenting the positive in public school. It was that way when I was in school and I remember resenting the onesidedness. Then it can get worse when one learns about really ugly stuff.

I find it difficult to think white kids cannot learn about racial problems in history without starting to hate themselves. I think there have been humans who have taught some kids to erase any discomfort about race by blaming the other race for being a problem.

[yellowstone123]

Robert Wright is a journalist who hosts the Nonzero podcast. Clearly he is not happy with the results of the election and expresses certain ways he believes many individuals can get through the next four years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wr ... ournalist)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJssGkfqQQk

[huckelberry]

Robert Wright is a journalist who hosts the Nonzero podcast. Clearly he is not happy with the results of the election and expresses certain ways he believes many individuals can get through the next four years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wr ... ournalist)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJssGkfqQQk

Yellowstone, I got around to listening to this. I thought it was quite good, thank you for pointing it out. Perhaps simple, Trump is good at intentionally drawing overreactions to muddy the water and draw his opposition off balance.

My own memory supplies the example of "good people on both sides," people supporting him hear people support keeping civil war memorials and people supporting removing them, good people on both sides of the disagreement. People put off by Trump think, doesn't he mean both pro and anti Nazi demonstrators? It can be argued he meant the first while people like me keep hearing the second. Trump takes advantage of this so if I do not support Trump I need to resist being taken advantage of in this way.

[yellowstone123]

Robert Wright is a journalist who hosts the Nonzero podcast. Clearly he is not happy with the results of the election and expresses certain ways he believes many individuals can get through the next four years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wr ... ournalist)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJssGkfqQQk

Huckelberry wrote:

Yellowstone, I got around to listening to this. I thought it was quite good, thank you for pointing it out. Perhaps simple, Trump is good at intentionally drawing overreactions to muddy the water and draw his opposition off balance.

Yes, I agree. I think this is the plan of the Far-right and we are just seeing the beginning.

Huckelberry wrote:

My own memory supplies the example of "good people on both sides," people supporting him hear people support keeping civil war memorials and people supporting removing them, good people on both sides of the disagreement. People put off by Trump think, doesn't he mean both pro and anti Nazi demonstrators? It can be argued he meant the first while people like me keep hearing the second. Trump takes advantage of this so if I do not support Trump I need to resist being taken advantage of in this way.

I agree. Like Wright says that there is a time when demonstrations might be needed so avoid exhausting energy on certain things that Trump wants people to exhaust their energy on; If he makes move that really needs to be checked by the people via demonstrations and the people via congress and the courts then that's when the energy will be needed.