Let the Deportations Begin!

[ajax18]

Putting aside the suggested nervousness of my laughter, what are you pretending that I need to defend?

I'm not pretending you need to defend anything. It's not been my experience that Trump voters are thoughtful or introspective, so it doesn't surprise me that you don't think you need to defend your vote for a lying criminal fraudster/rapist who wants to deport both legal and undocumented immigrants.

It's fine, ceeboo. As Molok said, you can take the mask off (but you won't). We know what you're about.

There are no illegal immigrants according to the left's current interpretation of asylum laws.

[Gunnar]

I'm not pretending you need to defend anything. It's not been my experience that Trump voters are thoughtful or introspective, so it doesn't surprise me that you don't think you need to defend your vote for a lying criminal fraudster/rapist who wants to deport both legal and undocumented immigrants.

It's fine, ceeboo. As Molok said, you can take the mask off (but you won't). We know what you're about.

There are no illegal immigrants according to the left's current interpretation of asylum laws.

We know what you're about too. You have demonstrated time and time and time again your eagerness to accept without question every outright lie and conspiracy theory that comes from the mouth of Trump and his MAGA sycophants, no matter how often he has been incontrovertibly exposed as a shameless, pathological liar. Why that is I am not entirely sure. As I have stated before, that infamous Access Hollywood recording alone, boasting of his sexual molesting of random women, should have been enough to dissuade any well-informed, honest and moral person from ever voting for that reprobate in the first place, let alone 2 or 3 times! Not to mention his mishandling of the covid pandemic crisis. The incontrovertible fact that our country, with less than 5% of the world's population had close to a quarter of the deaths from that pandemic is compelling evidence that few, if any, governments handled it worse than did the Trump administration! I can't think of anything of value that anyone got from got from Trump's Presidency, other than the ultra-wealthy and powerful, who got more than a trillion dollars in unneeded and ill-advised tax cuts!

[ajax18]

There are no illegal immigrants according to the left's current interpretation of asylum laws.

We know what you're about too.

That wasn't an opinion. It's just a fact. We need to know who Schmo means when he says legal immigrants are being deported. Try to stay on topic and back up your disagreements with facts rather than personal attacks.

[Moksha]

There are no illegal immigrants according to the left's current interpretation of asylum laws.

What is to be determined are those the Trump administration will round up, imprison, and ship off. I suspect much will be done in an indiscriminate military sweep manner.

[canpakes]

There are no illegal immigrants according to the left's current interpretation of asylum laws.

We know what you're about too.

That wasn't an opinion. It's just a fact. We need to know who Schmo means when he says legal immigrants are being deported. Try to stay on topic and back up your disagreements with facts rather than personal attacks.

I think that Schmo’s referring to the Trump quote that Ceeboo sidestepped earlier:

You hope Trump deports legal citizens?

Trump has stated that he will deport whole families of mixed status. As in, if a parent is not a citizen, but their child is one via birthright citizenship, then deportation of both would proceed on the basis of the parent’s status. The child, as a citizen, will still be booted along with the parent.

Do you agree with that approach?

“Asked about families with mixed immigration status — where parents are in the country illegally but their children are not — Trump said, “I don’t want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together, and you have to send them all back.”

Trump also doubled down on his campaign promise to end birthright citizenship, which is protected by the 14th Amendment, and suggested he may attempt to overturn the right through executive action.”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/08/poli ... -interview

It probably wouldn’t be necessary for anyone to deport natural born citizens in this case given that they could likely remain here under the care of other relatives, and I’d be willing to bet that many of the parents would prefer that for their children. But I ‘get’ why Trump made this statement. It’s messaging for the Base, about how to properly defend themselves against questions. It’s always much easier to say, “Look at how humane we are, making sure that your family can stay together while we remove your legal citizen children, too!”, rather than have to say, “We hate it so much that you’re here that we’re willing to change the Constitution in order to kick all of you out.”

[Dr. Shades]

We all know that Trump constantly lies about everything.

So why do we all of a sudden assume that Trump is telling the honest, gospel truth about this?

[Xenophon]

We all know that Trump constantly lies about everything.

So why do we all of a sudden assume that Trump is telling the honest, gospel truth about this?

The problem, of course is that he does lie often, but is not always lying about everything. I'm one to let a lot of his general trolling fall by without comment but sometimes he makes a threat that is outrageous enough it requires early and continual pushback. The other issue is when he strikes a crazy extreme position like this, even if we only see a half-measure implemented it would likely be an infringement on rights (ignoring all other ethical complaints).

We have seen in his past time that when it comes to immigration, the pain and suffering is the point, so I don't see any reason to not believe that this is going to be his admin's philosophical stance and begin preparing for the fight around it.

[Doctor Steuss]

I'm not pretending you need to defend anything. It's not been my experience that Trump voters are thoughtful or introspective, so it doesn't surprise me that you don't think you need to defend your vote for a lying criminal fraudster/rapist who wants to deport both legal and undocumented immigrants.

It's fine, ceeboo. As Molok said, you can take the mask off (but you won't). We know what you're about.

There are no illegal immigrants according to the left's current interpretation of asylum laws.

In fiscal year 2023 alone, there were over 2.6 million people who were stopped and prevented from entering the US, or found within the US illegally and expelled. Almost 2 million of those were at the southern border. Biden's FY 2023 (i.e. under the "left's current interpretation of asylum laws") will have more Title 42 expulsions than any year under Trump.

There were more deportations under Obama's last term, than in Trump's 4 years. We're on track to have more deportations under Biden than were under Trump.

As I've noted multiple times before, CBP and DHS statistics are publicly available. Might be worth looking at them, instead of just going with what right wing propaganda tells you. Once again, the clear choice for people who care about border security is Democrats. Republicans need a border problem to remain unfixed so they don't have to have actual policies beyond "brown people bad, and rich people need more tax breaks."

[ajax18]

That wasn't an opinion. It's just a fact. We need to know who Schmo means when he says legal immigrants are being deported. Try to stay on topic and back up your disagreements with facts rather than personal attacks.

I think that Schmo’s referring to the Trump quote that Ceeboo sidestepped earlier:

Trump has stated that he will deport whole families of mixed status. As in, if a parent is not a citizen, but their child is one via birthright citizenship, then deportation of both would proceed on the basis of the parent’s status. The child, as a citizen, will still be booted along with the parent.

Do you agree with that approach?

“Asked about families with mixed immigration status — where parents are in the country illegally but their children are not — Trump said, “I don’t want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together, and you have to send them all back.”

Trump also doubled down on his campaign promise to end birthright citizenship, which is protected by the 14th Amendment, and suggested he may attempt to overturn the right through executive action.”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/08/poli ... -interview

It probably wouldn’t be necessary for anyone to deport natural born citizens in this case given that they could likely remain here under the care of other relatives, and I’d be willing to bet that many of the parents would prefer that for their children. But I ‘get’ why Trump made this statement. It’s messaging for the Base, about how to properly defend themselves against questions. It’s always much easier to say, “Look at how humane we are, making sure that your family can stay together while we remove your legal citizen children, too!”, rather than have to say, “We hate it so much that you’re here that we’re willing to change the Constitution in order to kick all of you out.”

I don't think the intent of the Constitution was to say, if you break into the country illegally but to give birth to a child while you're here then you can never be deported for any reason ever.

Even if Trump were to simply start enforcing the border, it would way more than Biden ever did for the American taxpayer who is ultimately responsible for funding the social welfare cost increases that an open border causes.

[Molok]

We all know that Trump constantly lies about everything.

So why do we all of a sudden assume that Trump is telling the honest, gospel truth about this?

I'm sure Donald Trump doesn't care one bit about immigrants, illegal or otherwise. The problem is with people like Stephen Miller, who are rabidly racist and DO have very strong opinions on the issue. People like him are going to be put into positions of power.