Art.....

[Dr. Shades]

High shades I did not mean to step on your toe here I realize it's entirely possible that you understand the subject better than I do. You just chose not to say very much about it.

There was no need. Sometimes the point comes across better with fewer words.

I appreciated your post. I had no idea whether Shades was being sarcastic, or it is really that simple, at least to one with the gift.

Nope. No sarcasm. Imagine how it would look if it was a photograph, then paint it.

So given this, by Shades just saying "Simple. They just paint it as though it was a photograph," does not even remotely compute for someone like me.

How not? Just imagine how it would look if it was something you'd actually see with your actual eyes, then paint it.

I initially responded to Shades but deleted it in that I was not sure if he was serious or not.

I was, and am, 100% serious.

[Morley]

Shades, if photo realism should be the end goal in painting, why do we need painting? Why not just take really good photos? Maybe that's what you're advocating?

If so, you wouldn't be the first declare that painting is dead.

[canpakes]

My question is, when what I call a "true artist", like a Bruegel, takes a two dimensional scene or thought, onto a canvas, to a three dimensional work of art...how do they do it, what do they see that others can't? It just blows me away.

Another way to look at this is to flip it around. How do you feel about an artist that takes a three-dimensional scene or thought (which all are, at least, arguably) and forcibly/dramatically projects three dimensions on the canvas using a two-dimensional representation? Much of what Picasso is famous for falls into that category, where the artist attempts to convey a stylized 3D vision using a purposely manipulated 2D form.

Also, extending that further - how do you feel about texture within paintings where it is intended to transmit movement or depth?

[huckelberry]

Hi Morley, there are some interesting articles which you linked to there, thankyou. I find myself surprised a bit by learning that Bosch was popular by reproduction at that time. I presume reproduction means engravings which could make many popular prints. People could paint reproductions as well and did but those would be fewer and more expensive.


Early Breugel prints sold under the name Bosch, that is an amusing note about marketing. It would sound like the printing press was not only changing the world by books and pamphlets but shifting what visual arts could concern itself with. Well I was aware of this but these articles gave it more focus for me.

[Markk]

My question is, when what I call a "true artist", like a Bruegel, takes a two dimensional scene or thought, onto a canvas, to a three dimensional work of art...how do they do it, what do they see that others can't? It just blows me away.

Another way to look at this is to flip it around. How do you feel about an artist that takes a three-dimensional scene or thought (which all are, at least, arguably) and forcibly/dramatically projects three dimensions on the canvas using a two-dimensional representation? Much of what Picasso is famous for falls into that category, where the artist attempts to convey a stylized 3D vision using a purposely manipulated 2D form.

Also, extending that further - how do you feel about texture within paintings where it is intended to transmit movement or depth?

Texture, I need to ponder on those questions (good ones). Can you paste a painting as an example, that would help for sure.

When it comes to Picasso, I'm not really into, even though I appreciate it, his very abstract stuff, but I love is softer stuff. In my reading he had several style periods, and from the little I have studied his work, I like his early stuff best, at least this week.





About 15 years ago I had a discussion with a friend that turned me on to Mondrian. One of his painting had just sold like 30 million. I just could not believe it. She is a architect and into art and worked with me to understand his style, to no avail. But as the years go on I really enjoy his work and can most often recognize his lines and colors. 50 million for a painting, no way, but artists and styles have a funny way of growing on a person, that is one of the beauties of it.

This went for 51 million recently.

[canpakes]

While reading more on Bruegel, I read he was influenced by "Hieronymus Bosch." On this rabbit trail from Bruegel to Bosch I came across his painting called "The Garden of Earthly Delights". It is oil on oak, with three pieces, hinged together.

I’m glad that you ran across this one (apologies for commenting late; I’m not keeping up with the thread due to in real life activities). This is an astounding work of art with a level of detail that can keep you occupied for quite some time.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

This art piece by Barnett Newman sold for 43.8 million:




This art piece by Cy Twombly sold for 96.6 million:





This art piece by Gerhard Richter sold for 1.1 million:




This art piece by Blinky Polermo sold for 1.7 million:




This art piece by Ellsworth Kelly sold for 1.6 million:




This art piece by Mark Rothko sold for 28 million:

[Morley]

No serious discussion about art can be complete without including Mormon artist Jon McNaughton:

I agree, Dr Chung. These are just as surreal, and just as frightening, as anything Hieronymus Bosch ever conceived.

[Markk]

While reading more on Bruegel, I read he was influenced by "Hieronymus Bosch." On this rabbit trail from Bruegel to Bosch I came across his painting called "The Garden of Earthly Delights". It is oil on oak, with three pieces, hinged together.

I’m glad that you ran across this one (apologies for commenting late; I’m not keeping up with the thread due to in real life activities). This is an astounding work of art with a level of detail that can keep you occupied for quite some time.

Just keep looking for Waldo and you will be looking for days.

[canpakes]

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Markk, this one by Caravaggio is a bit of a different subject matter, but I’m going to add it here because you may appreciate the style. Bonus points if you can find the thread where I’ve posted this before. Marcus may remember. : )