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MG, what about the Lamanites' skin coloring stemming from Asiatic DNA? What would you say to the Bering Sea land bridge as being part of the Lord's curse?
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Marcus wrote:
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Bypassing the troll:
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They approve the message it sends. If they didn’t they’d remove it. The First Presidency has only ever been populated by white men.
Yes. Old white men who have surrounded themselves with compliant men and women.
Sounds like the Trumpian model to me.
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I Have Questions wrote:
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Marcus wrote:
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Bypassing the troll:
Yes. Old white men who have surrounded themselves with compliant men and women.
Bypassing the troll.
Convenient.

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Moksha wrote:
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MG, what about the Lamanites' skin coloring stemming from Asiatic DNA? What would you say to the Bering Sea land bridge as being part of the Lord's curse?
I think "the curse" was in the fact that there was a division between those that followed Christ and his prophets and those that didn't. That had ramifications.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
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Moksha wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:40 am
MG, what about the Lamanites' skin coloring stemming from Asiatic DNA? What would you say to the Bering Sea land bridge as being part of the Lord's curse?
I think "the curse" was in the fact that there was a division between those that followed Christ and his prophets and those that didn't. That had ramifications.

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I was suggesting that the skin color curse the Book of Mormon mentions arose from a different amount of skin pigment in those with Asian ancestry. You might notice the different skin pigment between Elder Gong and Elder Bednar. If you were from a different point in time and surrounded by a racist culture, you might invent fanciful explanations for that, such as Elder Bednar being so arrogant that the Lord turned him pale.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:23 pm
Moksha wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:40 am
MG, what about the Lamanites' skin coloring stemming from Asiatic DNA? What would you say to the Bering Sea land bridge as being part of the Lord's curse?
I think "the curse" was in the fact that there was a division between those that followed Christ and his prophets and those that didn't. That had ramifications.

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The ramifications were that the cursed Lamanites prospered and the non-cursed Nephites were eradicated. Food for thought maybe…
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Moksha wrote:
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:23 pm
I think "the curse" was in the fact that there was a division between those that followed Christ and his prophets and those that didn't. That had ramifications.

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I was suggesting that the skin color curse the Book of Mormon mentions arose from a different amount of skin pigment in those with Asian ancestry. You might notice the different skin pigment between Elder Gong and Elder Bednar. If you were from a different point in time and surrounded by a racist culture, you might invent fanciful explanations for that, such as Elder Bednar being so arrogant that the Lord turned him pale.
I know what you were suggesting. The fact is, even though Elder Gong and Elder Bednar have different skin pigmentation they are both individuals that have chosen Christ as their Savior and Redeemer. The same parallel held true in other times and places.

Including Nephites and Lamanites.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:09 pm
Moksha wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:18 am
I was suggesting that the skin color curse the Book of Mormon mentions arose from a different amount of skin pigment in those with Asian ancestry. You might notice the different skin pigment between Elder Gong and Elder Bednar. If you were from a different point in time and surrounded by a racist culture, you might invent fanciful explanations for that, such as Elder Bednar being so arrogant that the Lord turned him pale.
I know what you were suggesting. The fact is, even though Elder Gong and Elder Bednar have different skin pigmentation they are both individuals that have chosen Christ as their Savior and Redeemer. The same parallel held true in other times and places.

Including Nephites and Lamanites.

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So you would not feel the need to invent a skin curse to explain the difference in their skin pigmentation, and definitely not if they shared the same belief system. Good for you!
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Moksha wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:14 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:09 pm
I know what you were suggesting. The fact is, even though Elder Gong and Elder Bednar have different skin pigmentation they are both individuals that have chosen Christ as their Savior and Redeemer. The same parallel held true in other times and places.

Including Nephites and Lamanites.

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So you would not feel the need to invent a skin curse to explain the difference in their skin pigmentation, and definitely not if they shared the same belief system. Good for you!
It is more than likely that there was genetic material exchanged between the 'old inhabitants' and those that came along later. And there were most probably other genetic contributions to the larger population. In that larger population there would have naturally been various cultural and religious tribes/groups.

Those that believed in and followed Christ and his prophets were one of those tribes/groups (if you believe in Book of Mormon historicity). Whether or not there were variances in amounts of shared genetic material within the "Nephites" and the other groups mentioned in the Book of Mormon is seemingly a question with only one answer.

Righteousness and acceptance before God went back and forth between tribes/groups throughout the Book of Mormon record. Nephites and Lamanites most assuredly had a predisposition to see the other in what we might refer to in our lingo as "racist".

I haven't ever been all that bothered by the so called 'racism' in the Book of Mormon. I think, just like everything else, there are a lot of 'moving parts' that we may not be privy to.

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I haven't ever been all that bothered by the so called 'racism' in the Book of Mormon. I think, just like everything else, there are a lot of 'moving parts' that we may not be privy to.

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