What Will the LDS Church Do?

[Hound of Heaven]

Kishkumen Are you truly serious about releasing a statement like this? So now anyone who holds a different political view than you is prioritizing a human over their deity? What a foolish statement!

In my view, every Latter-day Saint who remains loyal to Trump from now on has placed him above God, the prophet, the holy scriptures, and the divinely established Constitution. I don't see any wiggle room in this. So what does the Latter-day Saint faith mean, if it is so easily tossed aside by those who claim to be good Latter-day Saints? Who will now make the case that the time has come when good Latter-day Saints must place their faith before their political loyalty to a tyrant?

[Kishkumen]

I can well understand why you would want that, Kish. I myself wouldn't want any church to take a political position of any kind. Supply teachings and talks regarding discernment, fruits of the Spirit, and such as that, yes. An official postion? I have to say no to that.

Don't get me wrong. I totally understand why they do not do that. However, there comes a point when silence looks too much like consent, and when something is so clearly evil that it may be irresponsible to say nothing. I think there are ways the LDS Church could make its position clearer without necessarily being partisan. I don't think it would be easy, and it may tick some people off--hence their silence--but there must be a way to signal pretty clearly where they stand, if, indeed, they do stand on the right side of this moral issue.

[Hound of Heaven]

Deeply profound reflections Kish. I am VERY interested to see what DCP will tell his fellow apologist saints who support Trump. If he will stand up for God and Constitution or not. This does appear to be a REAL Constitutional crisis being caused by a tyrant, and the Saints are said to be the ones to save it as it hangs by a thread. If it is not hanging now by that thread, how the hell much more can Trump trample everything sacred in our country before EVERYONE steps up and says ENOUGH! How does Trump continue to be able to waste away our country without being held accountable is flabbergasting to me. WHERE is Nelson when he is needed?!

The sense of urgency emanating from your post is truly remarkable.

I encourage you to read your post several times to fully understand what you have expressed. What you're essentially requesting of Pres. Nelson is to oppose the majority of Americans who cast their votes for Trump in November of 2024. If that's what you're asking him to do, it seems completely foolish and appears desperate on your part.

First of all, President Nelson and the church should maintain a distance from politics. Your desire for President Nelson to speak out against Trump highlights just how significantly Trump has impacted the Democratic Party.

Here are the facts for anyone who experiences TDS. Trump served as president for four years, and we navigated through his time in office. Trump is president once more, and we will navigate through this administration. The actions of those who write uninformed threads like this one only serve to benefit the Republicans in 2028.

Mormons are not uninformed individuals, and the more they are treated as if they are, as this thread demonstrates, the more individuals like Kishkumen are driving them further to the right politically. You and Kishkumen are your own greatest adversaries.

[Kishkumen]

Kishkumen Are you truly serious about releasing a statement like this? So now anyone who holds a different political view than you is prioritizing a human over their deity? What a foolish statement!

What a dumb reading of my statement! You really impress me with your deliberate and deceptive dullness in twisting what I write. What you are advocating is free rein to do any immoral, illegal, or monstrous thing under the color of party politics. The Catholic Church has done a pretty good job, in recent years, of getting this right. The pope clearly signals where they stand on issues in keeping with their doctrine, such that those who take a very different position show they are clearly not in line with the Church. If Catholics truly believe that their doctrine is divine, then they will not adulterate it with hideous ideologies that conflict with those teachings. Now, I grant that you do have extremist wack jobs like JD Vance or Steve Bannon who still manage to think they are the true Catholics regardless of how far they wander from the teachings of Jesus, but it was nice to know that Pope Francis would show a firm hand when it came to affirm Jesus' teachings over the right-wing extremism of people like Bannon.

[Hound of Heaven]

I can well understand why you would want that, Kish. I myself wouldn't want any church to take a political position of any kind. Supply teachings and talks regarding discernment, fruits of the Spirit, and such as that, yes. An official postion? I have to say no to that.

Don't get me wrong. I totally understand why they do not do that. However, there comes a point when silence looks too much like consent, and when something is so clearly evil that it may be irresponsible to say nothing. I think there are ways the LDS Church could make its position clearer without necessarily being partisan. I don't think it would be easy, and it may tick some people off--hence their silence--but there must be a way to signal pretty clearly where they stand, if, indeed, they do stand on the right side of this moral issue.

Pure desperation from you in this post.

Your new stance is, Trump defeated us politically so now we need churches to denounce him?

[Hound of Heaven]

Admit Trump defeated you and you'll be on your way to curing your TDS, Kishkumen.

Leave President Nelson out of it.

[Kishkumen]

Pure desperation from you in this post.

Your new stance is, Trump defeated us politically so now we need churches to denounce him?

Dang you are obtuse, dude! No, "Trump is diametrically opposed to many of our core principles, so good luck squaring that circle!"

[Kishkumen]

Admit Trump defeated you and you'll be on your way to curing your TDS, Kishkumen.

Leave President Nelson out of it.

LOL!!! How revealing.

I don't take Trump's victory personally, Hound.

What a dope.

[Hound of Heaven]

Kishkumen, what I will never get about extremists like you is why you insist on sticking to the same ridiculous talking points that helped you lose the election in the first place. It's like watching someone step on a rake and then do it again for fun!

Here are the juicy tidbits for the progressives on the board! Trump isn't throwing a tantrum at the holy constitution, that's just Kishkumens' Trump derangement syndrome having a field day! Mormons can totally back Trump! Only someone with a wild imagination would wonder why folks from a predominantly conservative faith would cheer for him.

Absolutely, the brethern should zip it! Just because you and your progressive pals got your lunch money taken in 2024, doesn’t mean you need to rush to President Nelson to throw Trump under the bus just because you lost the political game.

You're really giving off some serious "please notice me" vibes, and at this rate, you're practically rolling out the red carpet for the Republicans to strut their stuff in 2026! Quit the theatrics, stop whining about your 2024 losses, and try behaving like an adult who doesn’t need a centenarian Mormon prophet to tackle the imaginary villain Trump you've cooked up in your head.

[Gadianton]

However, there comes a point when silence looks too much like consent,

The argument that church leaders shouldn't get involved makes sense from a secular perspective but if we're judging the Church on its own message, then with a living prophet, you have to ask, what would Lehi do?

At the very least, if prophets like Gordan B. Hinckley publish books with titles like, "Standing for something" then they ought to include and asterisk and a long list of qualifications.