LDS Church urges members to call out racism in their congregations

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Re: LDS Church urges members to call out racism in their congregations

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:49 am
Marcus wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 2:19 am
Just as a reminder, the pain mg is feeling was introduced by him:

This was in response to comment about beliefs. NO ONE but mentalgymnast has equated an opinion about beliefs with the belief that Mormons are "dumb and stupid."

But of course he has now been offended by his own conclusion multiple times in this thread, just so he can cause a scene. Vintage mental.
It’s classic MG’ly. Taking offence and calling out a statement only he has made. :lol:
Classic Marcus and IHQ. Bend and twist. Making something out to be something other than what it is. Common refrain.

I think back to what I said in my most recent post...having to bite my tongue. ;)

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 3:53 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:49 am
It’s classic MG’ly. Taking offence and calling out a statement only he has made. :lol:
Classic Marcus and IHQ. Bend and twist. Making something out to be something other than what it is. Common refrain.

I think back to what I said in my most recent post...having to bite my tongue. ;)

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Bite down really hard, will you? As hard as you can.
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sock puppet wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:07 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 3:53 pm
Classic Marcus and IHQ. Bend and twist. Making something out to be something other than what it is. Common refrain.

I think back to what I said in my most recent post...having to bite my tongue. ;)

Regards,
MG
Bite down really hard, will you? As hard as you can.
I figured that someone would respond with something like that without really having anything much else to say. Not surprised it was you. Your posts have generally been kinda like that, sockpuppet. Blathering little one liners.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:27 pm
sock puppet wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:07 pm
Bite down really hard, will you? As hard as you can.
I figured that someone would respond with something like that without really having anything much else to say. Not surprised it was you. Your posts have generally been kinda like that, sockpuppet. Blathering little one liners.

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sock puppet wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:31 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:27 pm
I figured that someone would respond with something like that without really having anything much else to say. Not surprised it was you. Your posts have generally been kinda like that, sockpuppet. Blathering little one liners.

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Blathering at the blithering MG 2.0
OK. Have a nice day. :)

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Trying to bypass the off topic distraction by reposting this…
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:04 am
In terms of the thread topic, I found the following about the “Race and the Priesthood” gospel topics essay rather illuminating…
It was neither signed nor penned by the governing First Presidency, nor has it been mentioned, alluded to, or footnoted in speeches by LDS authorities at the faith's semiannual General Conferences.
If Oaks and his colleagues really want to tackle racism, why isn’t General Conference the platform to do it?

Why haven’t the First Presidency attached their names to these online statements about race? Why haven’t they been announced or launched with any fanfare? Why haven’t they been slipped “quietly in the night” onto the website without members being alerted to their presence? No announcement, no letter over the pulpit, no mention at General Conference. Once again we have the Church not practicing what it preaches. It’s as if they wanted nobody to notice so they could pretend it had been there all along.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:51 pm
Trying to bypass the off topic distraction by reposting this…
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:04 am
In terms of the thread topic, I found the following about the “Race and the Priesthood” gospel topics essay rather illuminating…If Oaks and his colleagues really want to tackle racism, why isn’t General Conference the platform to do it?

Why haven’t the First Presidency attached their names to these online statements about race? Why haven’t they been announced or launched with any fanfare? Why haven’t they been slipped “quietly in the night” onto the website without members being alerted to their presence? No announcement, no letter over the pulpit, no mention at General Conference. Once again we have the Church not practicing what it preaches. It’s as if they wanted nobody to notice so they could pretend it had been there all along.
It appears to be a calculated duplicity. For the older Mormons that grew up pre-1978 when the LDS Church was overtly racist, the current Regime of 15 doesn't want to upset them. Many are in the prime of their tithe-paying years. Keeping it online, buried deep does little harm.

For the younger Mormons, if called out for their racism the current Regime of 15 can point to the essay and say, see, we're not hiding it.

It's just a matter of wanting to have it both ways to appeal to the different age groups.
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sock puppet wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:09 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:51 pm
Trying to bypass the off topic distraction by reposting this…
It appears to be a calculated duplicity. For the older Mormons that grew up pre-1978 when the LDS Church was overtly racist, the current Regime of 15 doesn't want to upset them. Many are in the prime of their tithe-paying years. Keeping it online, buried deep does little harm.

For the younger Mormons, if called out for their racism the current Regime of 15 can point to the essay and say, see, we're not hiding it.

It's just a matter of wanting to have it both ways to appeal to the different age groups.
Many I've grown up with in my family and those friends in the church over the years that were around during the 1978 revelation didn't necessarily think of "racism" being the determining factor behind the blacks not receiving the priesthood before then. But I have to tell you, myself and those that I've talked to are awfully grateful that this revelation finally came.

Also, I would have to be honest, there were some men in church leadership that did have strains of racism running through their veins. It took a while to get to 1978.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:37 pm
sock puppet wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:09 pm
It appears to be a calculated duplicity. For the older Mormons that grew up pre-1978 when the LDS Church was overtly racist, the current Regime of 15 doesn't want to upset them. Many are in the prime of their tithe-paying years. Keeping it online, buried deep does little harm.

For the younger Mormons, if called out for their racism the current Regime of 15 can point to the essay and say, see, we're not hiding it.

It's just a matter of wanting to have it both ways to appeal to the different age groups.
Many I've grown up with in my family and those friends in the church over the years that were around during the 1978 revelation didn't necessarily think of "racism" being the determining factor behind the blacks not receiving the priesthood before then. But I have to tell you, myself and those that I've talked to are awfully grateful that this revelation finally came.

Also, I would have to be honest, there were some men in church leadership that did have strains of racism running through their veins. It took a while to get to 1978.

Regards,
MG
And yet Brad Wilcox was upset that the whites had to wait until 1830. Exactly like biblical slavery. God can command clothing requirements, food requirements but those hard ones he doesn't have the power to overcome the culture. And modern racism was just a stretch too far for God to tell them to knock it off. But coffee was paramount. Let 'em drink postum.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:47 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:44 am
Yes, I do. MG may not, but I will go on record saying yes.
Noted. You were an apologist for a belief system that includes magic rocks, so I’d say your response lacks some self awareness, at least on face value.
So....... ya lost me here........ my not believing in a flat earth and noting this makes me a believer in magic rocks and a lack of self awareness? Not sure I see how you connect these...... are you confusing my response with someone else's?
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