The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:55 am
Physics Guy wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:42 am
Polygamy inherently means older men marrying much younger women. It's not just an ugly quirk that sometimes happened in Utah. It's a mathematical necessity. The numbers of male and female children of any one given age are always close to equal, but if the total population is growing exponentially, then the number of women born in a later year will be greater than the number of men born in an earlier year. For any given rate of exponential population growth, finding a larger ratio of women to men requires looking at a younger cohort of women. If men are to find large numbers of wives, the wives have to be much younger.

Furthermore, the rate of population growth is limited by the number of women who are bearing children, regardless of how many fathers are involved. So the only way that polygamy can possibly increase the rate of population growth, and "raise up" a religious community, is by getting women to have children younger.

Young girls getting pregnant by much older men wasn't just an occasional glitch in Mormon polygamy. It was the mathematically inevitable and central point of the whole system. Polygamy is a euphemism. What it meant was pedogamy.

And the real reason why Mormon polygamy had to cease was that the population was never going to be able to keep growing exponentially at a high enough rate to supply all those younger wives. As soon as the growth rate started dropping, polygamy was bound to collapse. Whether or not people understood what was happening, they would have noticed that the old system was no longer working because there just weren't enough girls to go around any more.
You're saying Mormon God wasn’t very good at math, nor biology, nor population growth dynamics.

Or that early Mormon older men wanted loads of teenage wives for purposes of sex and power. I mean, how silly is that? When have older men ever used women just for their own sexual gratification or for power and ego trips?
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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Marcus wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:55 am
You're saying Mormon God wasn’t very good at math, nor biology, nor population growth dynamics.
Exactly.
I'm guessing it was the total opposite.

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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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To correct the misquote:
Marcus wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:55 am
You're saying Mormon God wasn’t very good at math, nor biology, nor population growth dynamics.

Or that early Mormon older men wanted loads of teenage wives for purposes of sex and power. I mean, how silly is that? When have older men ever used women just for their own sexual gratification or for power and ego trips?
Exactly.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:00 am
Marcus wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am
Exactly.
I'm guessing it was the total opposite.

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MG
It’s just a coincidence that so many early Mormon men had to suffer through cheating on their wives with much younger women. His plan lined up perfectly with the base carnal desires of sexually immoral deviants.

Mormon God is a real friend to all those early church leaders.

It is odd that it’s indistinguishable from a bogus religious pretense to get women to go along with it.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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drumdude wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:11 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:00 am
I'm guessing it was the total opposite.

Regards,
MG
It’s just a coincidence that so many early Mormon men had to suffer through cheating on their wives with much younger women. His plan lined up perfectly with the base carnal desires of sexually immoral deviants.

Mormon God is a real friend to all those early church leaders.

It is odd that it’s indistinguishable from a bogus religious pretense to get women to go along with it.
I believe that it's a common feature of religions started by charismatic men - they and their friends get to control the women, as well as anything of value that the members have.

Of course, some would claim that, apart from Mormonism (the only "true" religion, right?), all of them are counterfeits inspired by some mythical evil personage.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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malkie wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:34 am
drumdude wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:11 am
It’s just a coincidence that so many early Mormon men had to suffer through cheating on their wives with much younger women. His plan lined up perfectly with the base carnal desires of sexually immoral deviants.

Mormon God is a real friend to all those early church leaders.

It is odd that it’s indistinguishable from a bogus religious pretense to get women to go along with it.
I believe that it's a common feature of religions started by charismatic men - they and their friends get to control the women, as well as anything of value that the members have.

Of course, some would claim that, apart from Mormonism (the only "true" religion, right?), all of them are counterfeits inspired by some mythical evil personage.
Mormon God really couldn’t start the restoration by telling Joseph to respect his wife and not cheat on her. That would be too easy.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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drumdude wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:11 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:00 am
I'm guessing it was the total opposite.

Regards,
MG
It’s just a coincidence that so many early Mormon men had to suffer through cheating on their wives with much younger women. His plan lined up perfectly with the base carnal desires of sexually immoral deviants.

Mormon God is a real friend to all those early church leaders.

It is odd that it’s indistinguishable from a bogus religious pretense to get women to go along with it.
I am responding directly to the post physic guy made.

Regards,
MG
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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malkie wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:34 am
drumdude wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:11 am
It’s just a coincidence that so many early Mormon men had to suffer through cheating on their wives with much younger women. His plan lined up perfectly with the base carnal desires of sexually immoral deviants.

Mormon God is a real friend to all those early church leaders.

It is odd that it’s indistinguishable from a bogus religious pretense to get women to go along with it.
I believe that it's a common feature of religions started by charismatic men - they and their friends get to control the women, as well as anything of value that the members have.

Of course, some would claim that, apart from Mormonism (the only "true" religion, right?), all of them are counterfeits inspired by some mythical evil personage.
Power (money and women) always seems to be at the heart of things.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: The Most Ridiculous Things In Mormonism

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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:03 pm
malkie wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:34 am
I believe that it's a common feature of religions started by charismatic men - they and their friends get to control the women, as well as anything of value that the members have.

Of course, some would claim that, apart from Mormonism (the only "true" religion, right?), all of them are counterfeits inspired by some mythical evil personage.
Power (money and women) always seems to be at the heart of things.
It seems to me that the love of money, and the lust for women, are the root of this particular evil.
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