. . . they laughingly responded in typical proud, bold, strong in the faith missionaries they are taught to be, that there was nothing I could say that would sway them or cause them to doubt as they have heard it all...... Heavy sigh. They still wanted me to explain more, . . .
It sounds like you missed a golden opportunity. They pitched you the ball; I think it no sin to swing at it.
If you didn't want to get into a long discussion, you could've sent them home with homework. Something like, "Have you ever heard of the Kinderhook plates? If not, please familiarize yourself with them, then come see me next week." Or perhaps, "Will you please open your scriptures to the Book of Abraham facsimiles? Now, you see the interpretations? Are these accurate, or are they inaccurate? Once you've researched that question, come see me next week."
Food for thought.
(As an aside, it looks like you served at about the same time I did. I was out from 1990 to 1992. How about you?)
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"Clarity from Mormon God only comes in very critical instances like convincing Emma that Joseph needed to sleep with other women."
--drumdude, 02-28-2026
MG, I have wondered a few times if Marcus is too hard on you. You then come up with this comment which makes me think that she is not too hard.
Didn't Moclips list more than one video game that his son is kinda' addicted to? Video gaming among young men keeps them from doing all kinds of things they could be doing.
It's just a fact.
Regards,
MG
You seem to be misinterpreting what Moclips said.
I have a son that age right now, and while he is a great kid and mature beyond his years, he still doesn't have the life experience yet to teach personal life lessons to anyone about anything (unless we are talking Fortnight, Battlefield 6, or Call of Duty).
At no point does Moclips suggest their son is "...kinda addicted to" video games. Nor do they suggest that video gaming is keeping their son from doing other things. Moclips is saying their son has significant knowledge about how to play certain specific video games. And you have extrapolated that into your own invented reality to try and mask the fact that you are pretty nasty towards others and to hide the fact that you use a number of excuses to keep you from doing all kinds of things that you could and should be doing if you carried the courage of your self-proclaimed convictions. But you don't. So you invent cheap shots to help you feel better about your own miserable failures in life, such as never been called to a serious Church calling, and being too lazy and uncommitted to serve a senior mission. But I'm not criticising you as a person.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
. . . they laughingly responded in typical proud, bold, strong in the faith missionaries they are taught to be, that there was nothing I could say that would sway them or cause them to doubt as they have heard it all...... Heavy sigh. They still wanted me to explain more, . . .
It sounds like you missed a golden opportunity. They pitched you the ball; I think it no sin to swing at it.
If you didn't want to get into a long discussion, you could've sent them home with homework. Something like, "Have you ever heard of the Kinderhook plates? If not, please familiarize yourself with them, then come see me next week." Or perhaps, "Will you please open your scriptures to the Book of Abraham facsimiles? Now, you see the interpretations? Are these accurate, or are they inaccurate? Once you've researched that question, come see me next week."
Food for thought.
(As an aside, it looks like you served at about the same time I did. I was out from 1990 to 1992. How about you?)
I, too, was out 90-92! When I was living in NC I had my “golden” chance when a missionary challenged me to explain to him my reasons why I left the cult. I wish I would’ve just gone for it, but I felt bad for him and just stuck to broader philosophical principles, which were lost on him.
Missionaries are sent out to gather in the House of Israel.
Racist Mormonism to the extreme. The so-called tribes of Israel aren't any better than any other tribe. Religion has ever been a source of wars, divisions, and racism.
Mentalgymnast gets some kind of bizarre satisfaction out of attempting to hurt people with his words, and he is here to troll and disparage, nothing more. It's really quite sad that a grown man has internet trolling as a hobby.
Please feel satisfied in knowing I'll just keep ramming the Book of Abraham down his throat whether he likes it or not.
My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one.
Not be ready? Not be willing?
How did you come to that conclusion, MG? Pretty much all young men love to play video games -- before, during, and even on their missions if they could. Frogger!
MG, your comment stunk. Now apologize. God heard you and knows what you meant.
I think you can be a contributor to the conversation, but you slip into cheap attacks sometimes. Please take a step back sometimes and just skip these attacks.
He's not going to apologize. He's here to stir up trouble. He will play you like an old fiddle.
. . . they laughingly responded in typical proud, bold, strong in the faith missionaries they are taught to be, that there was nothing I could say that would sway them or cause them to doubt as they have heard it all...... Heavy sigh. They still wanted me to explain more, . . .
It sounds like you missed a golden opportunity. They pitched you the ball; I think it no sin to swing at it.
If you didn't want to get into a long discussion, you could've sent them home with homework. Something like, "Have you ever heard of the Kinderhook plates? If not, please familiarize yourself with them, then come see me next week." Or perhaps, "Will you please open your scriptures to the Book of Abraham facsimiles? Now, you see the interpretations? Are these accurate, or are they inaccurate? Once you've researched that question, come see me next week."
Food for thought.
(As an aside, it looks like you served at about the same time I did. I was out from 1990 to 1992. How about you?)
Yes, it was a big juicy softball I just let slide by. I don't know, I have just found it hard to do with missionaries. Anyone else in a normal discussion, I don't go out of my way, but if questions come up about the church, I'll gladly shed some light on some things. But I look at missionaries kinda like children without their parents, and I'd never tell a child Santa isn't real, lol. I guess I don't want to be responsible for potentially altering their life course.
I served from July 91 to July 93. Did two semesters at the Y first, 90-91.
And for the record, my son was very young when we stopped attending so serving a mission was never in the cards. He barely remembers anything about the church. And no, he isn't addicted to anything, not even video games. (I probably play more than he does).
My takeaway is that your son apparently would not be ready/willing to serve a mission for more reasons than one.
Regards,
MG
Remind me again, why aren’t you ready/willing to trust your Lord and serve a senior mission? More reasons than one?
Don’t press this point too much. Older Mormons who have the time and means to go on a service mission get all huffy when you call them out. Plus, you’d actually have to be a believing Mormon to do so, instead of a nasty troll ****posting online.
