A tribute to Grindael

[Kishkumen]

Sorta. Good catch.

I was being accused of trolling when in fact, the board was being swamped with bigoted insults and spam from Doc Cam. It was snarky, yes. But more to point out who was posting what by making one have to look at the content rather than just the avatar.

Well, I don't keep track of Spirit Paradise, where you have evidently erased a large percentage of your posts. I also don't follow endless arguments between personalities, and I try to wind down my own flamewars before too long. I find it all tedious.

[Jersey Girl]

I'm confused. For a while Cultellus appeared to be using Doc Cam's avatar, and I mistakenly thought Doc Cam had registered a new account. Now am I to understand that Cultellus was using Doc Cam's avatar to taunt Doc Cam?

Sorta. Good catch.

I was being accused of trolling when in fact, the board was being swamped with bigoted insults and spam from Doc Cam. It was snarky, yes. But more to point out who was posting what by making one have to look at the content rather than just the avatar.

Keep in mind that anyone can examine Cam's posting history by using the "search users post" and going back in time to the onset of your trolling this board.

Here is a copy of one of my first interactions with you. You see, you can delete your own posts in an attempt to destroy the evidence, but many of your early posts are preserved in the comments of others.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1066&p=30827&hilit=piss#p30827

[drumdude]

The fact that Lem changed the thread title after the fact, and Cultellus deleted a large number of posts, seems to indicate they're both simply vying for supporters here. And will do whatever is needed to win their little spat.

[Lem]

Well there’s a call for new mods that presumably shades saw on the other board and decided not to act on.

So the call is being made once again, here? The tribute aspect of this thread was tacked on hastily after the fact, so I think that’s a bit disingenuous.

What? No, the title evolved as I was trying to decide how to say it, but the OP has always been the same:

These two trolls are only pretending to have a legitimate concern. They are here to troll the board, and Shades, unfortunately, has decided to accommodate them. It’s unfortunate but Shades holds the power and apparently he has decided that the trolls have a point. Any legitimate, serious analysis of trolling would note that the two trolls are taking advantage of Shades’ “free speech” position, to the detriment of the board.

Shades made the same mistake with his Mentalgymnast “Jubilee,” the end result being that we did not hear from our friend Grindael during the last year of his life. This lack of understanding on his part of the damage done by trolls is in no way excused by his free speech commitment. There are ways to maintain free speech without letting trolls destroy a community. Shades has apparently chosen to not investigate that, but his choice is not acceptable as a position that benefits our society as a whole.

In my opinion, all we can do is ignore the trolls, and hope Shades’ actions don’t result in another friend of ours spending the last year of his life elsewhere.

Your next question:

So the goal here is to get Consiglieri, and Simon Southerton, and some of the other well known posters to take sides in a long-standing dispute between a few posters in the off topic forum?

I thought I was pretty clear the last couple of times you asked about intent, at least for the OP, but I'll try again:

Is there any call to action, like banning the trolls? I can understand venting but it seems the implication for discussing it here is to change something and debate if that change is warranted or not.

With no apparent moderation currently in place, there doesn't seem to be anything to do except ignore them, which isn't really an effective solution.

This thread was just a reminder of how trolling can disrupt a community and lead to voices being silenced. And I still miss grindael, whose voice was silenced here, for what would turn out to be the last year of his life, by just such a disruption. Hence the title. That's all. Thanks for reading, and thanks for your comments.

[Atlanticmike]

The fact that Lem changed the thread title after the fact, and Cultellus deleted a large number of posts, seems to indicate they're both simply vying for supporters here. And will do whatever is needed to win their little spat.

Lem is upset that Dr. Shades is staying neutral in the ongoing crap show that's happening on the spirit paradise forum. So today she decided to use the name and memory of Grindael to start a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Grindael. She knows she has a better chance at making Dr Shades take action if she can successfully bring the fighting to this forum. It's a clever strategy but 100% selfish of her to bring this toxicity here just so she can get her way. She should be ashamed of herself.

[drumdude]

We're down to one moderator who is hardly ever here. Gadianton isn't a moderator. In my opinion, the Paradise Forum is turning into Lord of the Flies on account of the fact that we don't have a functional mod team in place. I don't expect to see the board covered 24/7 but I would like to see it be moderated according to the Board Rules that are in place.

That isn't happening right now and we shouldn't have to wade through garbage to read the topics when there are Board Rules that cover most offenses that take place here.

Sounds like everyone can at least agree the place needs better moderation.

[Lem]

....MG did far worse than that to Grindael when he set about the business of disrupting his content rich threads in Terrestrial and causing Grindael to ultimately departed the board entirely.

I feel fairly certain that is what Lem was reminded of when observing the state of the Paradise forum.

As I stated previously, I think the OP here serves two purposes, each of which are reflective upon the other. But you'll have to hear from Lem to know if that is the case. I do see where she made a few comments as to purpose. I think I am reading her accurately. I don't see that she has directly confirmed that.

Your comments about why I posted this thread have been completely accurate.

With regard to the lack of a mod team here. If the board had a functional mod team in place and if this particular thread needed to be split off, there is no team of mods to take the reports and act toward that effort. In fact, if you were to examine the Paradise forum, you would see that Lem herself addressed the issue of lack of response to reports that had to do with wishing death on posters. I think she said she made the reports as far back as January. Don't hold me to that date though.

Yes, the reports I made in January are still outstanding, including the report on Doc's parody of the posts where he wished death on Perfume.

If wishing death isn't an issue I don't see why Shades can't just clear the reports. If he did that, it would be clear he doesn't consider "Just die already" to be an unacceptable comment, but there has been no response at all.

[drumdude]

Sounds like everyone can at least agree the place needs better moderation.

No. I disagree.

And what do you agree needs better moderation?

We need posters to smash the hell out bad behavior and contribute good content. If this a forum for Doc Cam to be a bigot, own it.

A good moderator will use a soft touch, some bold red text inserted into a nasty post asking posters to be civil can go a long way...

It's not good for ANY forum to have ZERO moderation.

[Dr Exiled]

How about say what you want but keep it civil? Even in Spirit Paradise, we should avoid making things personal and stick to arguments. However, thick skin helps. I think with free speech forums, one has to tolerate a lot of bad writing and dis-ingenuousness and the occasional troll.

On another note, I was sad that Grindael left because of a certain poster that also drove away Sock Puppet and maybe others. This poster never bothered me too much. I thought he was a mopologist coming here to incite us and left it at that. They don't have a pot to piss in and ultimately their arguments will always fail or they will run to "safe ground" and declare a tie.

[Lem]

The fact that Lem changed the thread title after the fact, and Cultellus deleted a large number of posts, seems to indicate they're both simply vying for supporters here. And will do whatever is needed to win their little spat.

Nope. I have no need for nor am I interested in getting supporters. And your defining serious reactions to the problems disruptive trolls bring to an online community as a "little spat" is hilarious. Not helpful, but hilarious.