Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Dr. Shades]

But, yes - I don’t believe that they would have killed him. Wasn’t Grosskreutz behind him with a firearm yet managed to not try to pump Rittenhouse full of lead?

Nope. He was in the act of flanking Rittenhouse as he pulled the gun on him again. The only reason he didn't pump Rittenhouse full of lead was because Rittenhouse was a split second quicker on the draw. Grosskreutz posted to his Twitter account soon after the incident that his only regret was not emptying his magazine into Rittenhouse.

No, I wouldn't. Neither did Kyle Rittenhouse. He ran away from a riot. It wasn't his fault the rioters caught up to him.

He ran away from a fellow that he had just shot. In no way was he running from ‘a riot’.

Let me rephrase: He was running away from "rioters."

He took part in preventing both a car dealership and a gas station from being burned to the ground, didn't he? If so, doesn't that count as things being made better?

How did he do that?

By displaying a stoic show of force.

[Tinfoilhat]

Correct. He didn't shoot at them until AFTER they attacked him. Thus making it necessary for him to defend himself.

Well for me... if someone points a rifle at me or any of my family members, I will retaliate physically as soon as I had an opening. I wouldn't kill him, probably just break his trigger finger.

OH!! MY!! GODDDDDDDD!!. I can tell from this post that you've never been in a tough situation in your life, powder puff. You probably get stressed out trying to figure out what color underwear you're going to wear for the week!

In all honesty! You would probably be able to take the rifle from the guy because he would be dying from laughter from watching you disarm him.

[Marcus]

let me guess, you think he just re-spawned there with an assault rifle, and then thought to himself, "oh jeez I better run away?"
Come on shades. You're not that stupid.

I'm just going by the camera footage. Did you see something other than him running away from one or more rioters?

So, you do think he just re-spawned there. I take back my statement.

[canpakes]

Aside from someone who had knocked his cap off, no one had done any of those things to Rittenhouse at the point of time where Rittenhouse ended up tripping, righted himself and aimed at folks around him.

Correct. He didn't shoot at them until AFTER they attacked him. Thus making it necessary for him to defend himself.

That’s an option, versus the one that I gave earlier.

What would have happened if he didn’t shoot when he did?

You’re convinced that he would have been killed, yet Groskreutz had a firearm, was right at Rittenhouse, and didn’t fire.

And you maintain that if person A aims at person B, then it’s not the same thing as person B aiming person A.

If you were an officer running after a felon, and he fell, and then aimed and fired at you, are you allowed to take defensive steps? Would you try to use your feet in motion to assist? At the point in time that this happened between Jump Kick Man and Rittenhouse, Rittenhouse had shot someone, and Jump Kick Man was only running after Rittenhouse.

You want to keep portraying Rittenhouse as a poor innocent kid targeted for carrying an AR. That’s not why he was chased. He was chased for having shot someone, then leaving the scene. That immediate perception directed certain responses, and anyone who considered running after him could have reasonably thought that they were helping to detain a shooter. Rittenhouse is lucky that the folks he fired on won’t get much public sympathy due to their past record, but this could have been much worse, for anyone else inclined to act, or even random folks who might get hit by his gunfire.

[canpakes]

How did he do that?

By displaying a stoic show of force.

I’ll go with you greatly exaggerating the impact of his presence, given that it didn’t stop someone from hectoring him.
: D

Hell, even the dumpsters kept burning.

[Kishkumen]

Running away from a mob = "roaming the streets?"

Hey, you want to focus on all the moments that look good to you, but you're not fooling anyone here. Between you and Binger, I am to understand that the only things Kyle did in Kenosha were guard a dealership, run from the "mob," and do a lot of community service.

Anything else that might look less flattering just never happened. Between the events you Kyle defenders mention, Kyle just blipped between worm holes or something.

[Dr. Shades]

Here’s a better video with commentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m7llWFaSak

HOLY HELL. I never noticed that Huber bashed Rittenhouse in the head TWO times that night.

Just prior, we see Huber having taken a massive swing at Kyle Rittenhouse’s head from behind, so it makes sense that as Kyle Rittenhouse falls to the ground after having been hit from behind . . .

I'd always wondered why Rittenhouse stumbled and fell seemingly out of nowhere, but now we know it was because Huber had just bashed him in the head from behind. Mystery solved.

Running away from a mob = "roaming the streets?"

He was seen on multiple videos trotting around with his AR in hand, not in his BP sling.

Are you sure? Were any of them taken prior to Rosenbaum's attack?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

But, yes - I don’t believe that they would have killed him. Wasn’t Grosskreutz behind him with a firearm yet managed to not try to pump Rittenhouse full of lead?

Nope. He was in the act of flanking Rittenhouse as he pulled the gun on him again. The only reason he didn't pump Rittenhouse full of lead was because Rittenhouse was a split second quicker on the draw. Grosskreutz posted to his Twitter account soon after the incident that his only regret was not emptying his magazine into Rittenhouse.

I disagree a bit here. Grosskreutz had KR in front of him for a good bit and could’ve shot KR in the back, but chose not to. If I had to guess Grosskreutz, much like Huber, wanted to disarm KR, probably detain him, and perhaps beat him. Grosskreutz was probably scared when KR warned him off, hence the feint, but I think it was in that split-second Grosskreutz decided to shoot him. That hesitation cost him his bicep. The problem for Grosskreutz, aside from his own dipshittery, was that Jump Kick Man and Huber already attacked KR, so KR was hyper vigilant and at the ready in case anyone else attacked him. Where rioter-apologists fail in their reasoning was that KR was running toward the cops. If the rioters were going to detain him and hand him over to the cops, why would they stop KR from getting to the cops? They should’ve just talked to the cops, pointed to KR, and stated KR just got done shooting a man dead.

- Doc

[canpakes]

Nope. He was in the act of flanking Rittenhouse as he pulled the gun on him again. The only reason he didn't pump Rittenhouse full of lead was because Rittenhouse was a split second quicker on the draw. Grosskreutz posted to his Twitter account soon after the incident that his only regret was not emptying his magazine into Rittenhouse.

Sure he did; the thought was probably foremost in his mind as he struggled to type into his phone while missing a bicep.

Regardless, that speaks to mindset at the time. He didn’t empty his magazine into Rittenhouse.

[Dr. Shades]

The difference is that Rosenbaum wouldn't have gotten himself shot.

Sure. And if Rittenhouse had kept his rifle in the sling, or stayed around the folks that he was near, or with anyone else he came with, or not run off to try to dodge Rosenbaum between parked cars, or had decided instead to land his AR butt against Rosenbaum’s head, or fired a warning shot, etc., he may or may not have needed to shoot Rosenbaum.

Likewise, if he had peeled off his shirt, let out a war cry, and pointed his AR at folks and/or Rosenbaum, he may or may not have needed to shoot Rosenbaum.

And if Rosenbaum hadn't tried to get his firearm from him, Rittenhouse would not have needed to shoot. Likewise, if Rosenbaum had stayed home instead of rioting, he wouldn't have gotten himself shot.

Didn't Kukulkan say, "See? We can do this all day!"?

For the life of me, I can’t figure out why he did what he did when Rosenbaum threw the plastic bag at him.

He didn't do ANYTHING when Rosenbaum threw the plastic bag at him. Did you not watch the video?

Well for me... if someone points a rifle at me or any of my family members, I will retaliate physically as soon as I had an opening. I wouldn't kill him, probably just break his trigger finger.

Yeah, but if you tried to curb stomp someone who had a rifle, or tried to bash his head in a second time, or tried to shoot him, would he be justified in pointing a rifle at you?