What makes you think I’m unaware of the cult’s relationship with its apologetic wing? And who cares if you, or anyone for that matter, thinks the flood is important or not. That’s not what’s being discussed. The flood, a global flood, full of symbolism as underscored by Mormon scriptures and hundreds of talks, articles, and teachings found in teaching manuals, makes it clear that a universal flood is LDS doctrine. Period.
- Doc
But at the same time there aren't many modern articles, talks, scriptures, manuals saying that Noah's flood was a literal "global flood". The point is that Mormon leaders don't seem to care and it seems the idea of a literal global flood is no longer an essential teaching of the church.
If it is an essential teaching, they why aren't apologists being disciplined by the church for apostasy?
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus.
That’s a question I’ve been asking for damn near twenty years. Your guess is as good as mine. I suspect as long as a Mormon expresses fealty to the brethren and pays their tithing they have a certain amount of leeway to preach their pet heretical theories.
And that 10 years is enough time to consider it no longer to be doctrine, even if it is still in current teaching materials?
I have no idea. Here is what Monson said in 2011, "While this generation will be comparable in wickedness to the days of Noah, when the Lord cleansed the earth by flood, there is a major difference this time".
Compare that to some ambiguous wording here, "Floodwater destroyed the wicked and all creatures that lived on the land except those in the ark." Old Testament Seminary Teacher Manual, 2013 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 9?lang=eng
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"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus.
That’s a question I’ve been asking for damn near twenty years. Your guess is as good as mine. I suspect as long as a Mormon expresses fealty to the brethren and pays their tithing they have a certain amount of leeway to preach their pet heretical theories.
- Doc
If it is all about making money then Mormon leaders have a terrible strategy. I don't think Mormon leaders are really that stupid.
"I have the type of (REAL) job where I can choose how to spend my time," says Marcus.
That’s a question I’ve been asking for damn near twenty years. Your guess is as good as mine. I suspect as long as a Mormon expresses fealty to the brethren and pays their tithing they have a certain amount of leeway to preach their pet heretical theories.
- Doc
If it is all about making money then Mormon leaders have a terrible strategy. I don't think Mormon leaders are really that stupid.
1) You’re introducing the notion of making money.
2) They have billions, if not hundreds of billions.
I think their strategy, if it’s about making money, is working.
What makes you think I’m unaware of the cult’s relationship with its apologetic wing? And who cares if you, or anyone for that matter, thinks the flood is important or not. That’s not what’s being discussed. The flood, a global flood, full of symbolism as underscored by Mormon scriptures and hundreds of talks, articles, and teachings found in teaching manuals, makes it clear that a universal flood is LDS doctrine. Period.
- Doc
But at the same time there aren't many modern articles, talks, scriptures, manuals saying that Noah's flood was a literal "global flood". The point is that Mormon leaders don't seem to care and it seems the idea of a literal global flood is no longer an essential teaching of the church.
If it is an essential teaching, they why aren't apologists being disciplined by the church for apostasy?
You are moving the goal posts here. Doctrine and Essential Teaching are two different things. An essential teaching can best be ascertained by considering the temple recommend questions. Those are the key elements that the Church wants people to comply with. The church couldn’t care less if you believe the Flood is literal, a myth or anything in between. But that does not equate to it not being current doctrine - which it is as Doc Cam has ably demonstrated.
Morley: Certainly, this overwhelming evidence that this is the PERFECT world for choice is the ultimate proof of intelligent design.
I apologize, I missed MGs unique fine tuning argument the first time around.
Like the barest nudge to the strong force that would collapse the universe to a point, just touching the evidence-for-god knob would manifest God's reality, leaving no room for doubt. And thus, the signature of a designer erased.
Yeah. And one of the proofs that the painting was painted by Rembrandt is that there is no sign or evidence that the painting was painted by Rembrandt.
Brand new to this board. Still an active member, but unbelieving. Stay in for family sake. In have a question for MG or anyone that can answer of it has been discussed before. What is your point of coming on this board? I view it as going to Cougar board as an Aggie fan and posting about how great utah state is. I’m doing nothing other than trying to stir the pot. I’m not truly trying to convince cougarboard how great USU is and how much I believe this. I wonder if MG is really who he/she says they are, or just someone catfishing the entire board. Again, what is your purpose? This new member really would like to know.
Sometimes, how and why people think the way that they do is just as - or even more - interesting than what they think. : )
