Thanks. I only used the identification of Parker as an end date because I was aware of the accusations of racism in that thread. in my opinion, the circumstances in this case are a little unusual. I noticed that Kish originally thought it may be a dig at the Heartlanders over the issue of racism by Heartlanders. That's what Parker's blog post describes as Boylan's motive. Because neither Boylan nor Parker consider being an apologist a bad thing, claiming that a black apologist exists wasn't intended as a slur on black folks. It's pretty clear to me that the nasty, attacking FARMS style of apologetics isn't viewed as a bad thing by its adherents. So, although folks here may view the content of Neville-Neville land as abhorrent, that view isn't shared by those apologists. in my opinion, it doesn't make sense to describe what went on as hiding bad behavior behind a black face when the people involved don't consider themselves engaging in bad behavior.Marcus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:06 pmso, the actual R word, and before march 6, 2023 9 pm. a pretty restrictive request, but here's a couple from the record:
10/2212/22Doctor Scratch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:08 am...DCP has rightly been taken to task for racism before—most notably for posting lynching photos. So, is this his attempt at redemption? Remember: Boylan and Smoot are claiming that a Black man is running “Neville-Neville Land.” The other option is that DCP is covering for some exceptionally disgusting racists. Someone should ask him (or Smoot, or Boylan) about this on their various blogs.on the other hand, I don't see how an accusation of racism can't be valid after Parker was identified, because isn't that the point? Specifically appropriating another race to hide behind--If I recall correctly someone referred to it as digital blackface--- is what makes this racist. knowing Boylan did it, and that Parker, among others let it stand, is what makes this racist. it was suspected for a long time, but the proof is there.Doctor Scratch wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:38 pm
3.Stephen Smoot is Linked to "Neville-Neville Land" and a Racist Cover-Up
... So, why the antipathy, then? The answer came in the form of a rather strange and obsessive blog called "Neville-Neville Land," which was overseen by "Peter Pan."
...Meanwhile, a YouTube video surfaced, during which Robert Boylan interviewed budding Mopologist Spencer Kraus, and on the video, Boylan announced that "Neville-Neville Land" is operated by a Black man named "Richard Nygren," who, Boylan claims, is "one of the only African American apologists in the Church." Is this true? If so, no one has been able to find a shred of evidence that Nygren exists, and all the signs still point to Smoot being the main author of "Neville-Neville Land." If it's *not* true, though, it means that the apologists have attempted to blame a cartoonish smear blog--aimed at one of their own fellow Latter-day Saints, no less!--on a made-up Black man. If this is the case, it would represent arguably *the* most ugly incident of racist behavior in the entire annals of Mopologetics.
I'm not defending either Boylan or Parker. Given the history of racism in the LDS church, Boylan's fabrication of a black man as a soldier in his war against the Heartlanders goes beyond mere bad taste. And Parker's failure to correct Boylan when he had the opportunity was, at best, misleading. On the other hand, all racist acts aren't of the same magnitude, and, to me, this pales in comparison to some of the racism I've read examples of among the Heartland movement. So, I've been curious about why the racism claim blew up here at the time that it did. in my opinion, the racism issue really took off in this thread when it was suggested that DCP was complicit.
So, two weeks after Boylan's remark, Dr. Scratch referred to it as minstrelsy. Three months later, when DCP's involvement is introduced into the issue, Dr. Scratch describes it this way:
I'm still waiting for the rest of the facts to come out before reaching any firm conclusions on the whole brouhaha.But the whole thing is interesting to think about it, and as much as I’m sure he’d like to deny it, Dan Peterson is implicated. Has he been supporting an African American apologist’s work all along? He has said that he knows who’s behind it. And DCP has rightly been taken to task for racism before—most notably for posting lynching photos. So, is this his attempt at redemption? Remember: Boylan and Smoot are claiming that a Black man is running “Neville-Neville Land.” The other option is that DCP is covering for some exceptionally disgusting racists. Someone should ask him (or Smoot, or Boylan) about this on their various blogs.
Bad form! Sigh, let's move on...
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