Honestly? I like hamburgers so I have a built in bias. Gosh, I like shrimp too.
Regards,
MG
Sorry, there are no burgers and shrimp cocktails in the CK.
You won’t need to eat, and even if you did, killing the cows and shrimp that worked so hard to be good enough to get into the CK would be rude, to say the least.
Also, since we’re on the topic of improving things, please make flatulence smell more like fresh-baked bread. That should only require a little tweaking of the genetic code of our intestinal flora, and the children will get a kick out of it. Seems like an entirely trivial task for even a junior demiurge.
Actually, now that I look at it, I have a pretty long list of things that need a tweak or two.
If you're a creator operating through TE (theistic evolution)...essentially evolution as we know it...that long list isn't going to be very helpful. Especially if the creation is a 'set up' for opposition in all things.
A common theme among some folks is 'why can't God make everything perfect?" That doesn't seem to be the way things work. Evolution contributes to that.
If and when I am involved in anything having to do with creative processes I don't know that there is really any alternative to having a world in which farts are part and parcel in the after effects of creation of life.
Apparently no God up to this point has found a better way...'cause here we are.
Regards,
MG
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Apparently my previous answer wasn't clear enough for you. I figured as much.
I think that eternal progression allows for all of God's children to progress. There isn't a line beyond what they cannot cross. That should answer both your questions.
Well now you’re back to your first answer, that you disbelieve the two core tenets within Mormonism as they are currently taught.
Bruce R. McConkie: There are those who say that there is progression from one kingdom to another in the eternal world…this is worse than false. It is an evil and pernicious doctrine.
MG 2.0 you are spreading “evil and pernicious” falsehoods.
Spencer W. Kimball: After a person has been assigned to his place in [a] kingdom…he will never advance from his assigned glory to another glory. (The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 243-4)
Now let’s say the Church and those leaders have it wrong. And that you have it right and people can progress and/or regress between kingdoms. That undermines the whole reason for temples. It undermines the whole idea of needing to join the Church and endure to the end. If you have an eternity to join, to learn, to be baptised, to be sealed, etc etc etc then there no impetus to do it now in this “blink of an eye” existence. There’s literally an infinite amount of time to progress, and so “now” becomes meaningless. No need to get your temple work done “now” because you can do it at some point along an infinite time continuum. The purpose of the Church becomes null and void. Just wait till the afterlife to entertain Mormonism. Why not eat, drink, and be merry, and enjoy all this life has to offer and worry about Mormonism after you’re dead, because according to you, you can?
I think that in the middle of everything I've said and you haven't even taken the time to play along with is the 'passport'. One can't/won't just go willy nilly wherever you please and/or want in the afterlife. Even when choosing your own adventure there has to be something 'in play' that provides order and accountability to the plan of progression.
Temples and ordinances are directly involved in all that. A passport.
I can't just hop on a plane and fly over to the UK. I have to have the documentation in order to enter.
Questions upon questions.
You really ought to play along with the thought experiment that I've outlined.
Bruce R. McConkie: There are those who say that there is progression from one kingdom to another in the eternal world…this is worse than false. It is an evil and pernicious doctrine.
I'm bumping this for MG 2.0 because he's yet to (as a missionary would be expected to do) give a clear response as to what he believes on this subject. My questions are very specific, very easy to understand, they are about a very well known doctrinal subject, and can be answered with a simple Yes or a simple No. MG 2.0 either believes what the Church specifically and unequivocally teaches about the afterlife (which is reflected in my questions), or he doesn't. His avoidance of giving a direct answer to each makes his claim about being here to do missionary work disingenuous. If he lacks sufficient courage of his self proclaimed convictions to answer such simple questions, then I can only surmise it's because he doesn't really believe what his Church teaches.
His nonsensical reference to a passage in Acts suggests he might actually be struggling to follow along and fully comprehend what he and others are saying. If he's struggling due to age-related mental deterioration then I wish him all the best.
Apparently my previous answer wasn't clear enough for you. I figured as much.
I think that eternal progression allows for all of God's children to progress. There isn't a line beyond what they cannot cross. That should answer both your questions.
Eternity is a long time.
Here is a thought experiment for you and then I will leave this in your hands. We have an education system. Multifaceted and varied in its functionality. With a common purpose. Progression, learning, and application of skills learned. Lower education, secondary, four year, and graduate. Limited time, limited abilities, limited resources, etc. as one approaches their educational path and achievements. If one chooses.
If one ends up in a given place they can, if time and resources allow, go back and further their education and change their trajectory.
Continuing the thought experiment. Apply that pattern to eternal progression with all of its complexities above and beyond what we might see/imagine within the educational framework in the western world. Not even considering the learning/education that takes place in countries without and established and functional system such as we have.
What are some possibilities that come to your mind even when working within a baseline framework of 'many mansions' and three kingdoms of glory in which continued learning and progress takes place if one chooses. I'll leave you to it.
Perfect analogy? Of course not. Enough to get your creative juices flowing? I think so. Have fun!
Watch out for that 'black and white' thinking that I've brought up over and over again. It can get you into trouble.
If you're a creator operating through TE (theistic evolution)...essentially evolution as we know it...that long list isn't going to be very helpful. Especially if the creation is a 'set up' for opposition in all things.
A common theme among some folks is 'why can't God make everything perfect?" That doesn't seem to be the way things work. Evolution contributes to that.
No worries. Perfection is boring.
If and when I am involved in anything having to do with creative processes I don't know that there is really any alternative to having a world in which farts are part and parcel in the after effects of creation of life.
Apparently no God up to this point has found a better way...'cause here we are.
Oh, you don’t have to get rid of flatulence. It certainly serves a useful purpose in keeping us from rupturing under extreme conditions. I’m just looking for a different scent profile. Maybe the current one is optimal for inducing small children to giggle uncontrollably, and should remain, given how infectious the laughter of children can be.
But, now someone will probably quip, “I find your lack of faith … disturbing.”
: )
Maybe the current one is optimal for inducing small children to giggle uncontrollably, and should remain, given how infectious the laughter of children can be.
It’s moderately amusing (given his aversion to “materialism” in the past) that MG’s conception of Mormon deity is ultimately just a really advanced ape.
Thanks for posting that link, it supports my points.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
LDS theology has evolved from exclusivity to a broader understanding that nearly all people will inherit some form of heavenly glory, with the celestial kingdom being the ultimate goal for those who fully embrace and live by LDS teachings.
In what way(s) is the Kingdoms of Glory theology different now than from when Smith wrote about it? How, specifically, has it evolved since then?
Bump
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
It’s moderately amusing (given his aversion to “materialism” in the past) that MG’s conception of Mormon deity is ultimately just a really advanced ape.
Materialism is a wide field.
Being that God created a world in which apes exist I'd say there is a wide gap.
