Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[canpakes]

I'd always wondered why Rittenhouse stumbled and fell seemingly out of nowhere, but now we know it was because Huber had just bashed him in the head from behind. Mystery solved.

Yet he managed to take another dozen steps at full trot with no change in pace or gait after being swiped at. It’s not likely that the hit was time-delayed, although I’m sure that’s how the defense would portray it. ; )

He pretty much immediately stumbled when he did. Looks more like he tripped up on something.

[canpakes]

And if Rosenbaum hadn't tried to get his firearm from him, Rittenhouse would not have needed to shoot. Likewise, if Rosenbaum had stayed home instead of rioting, he wouldn't have gotten himself shot.

Unfortunately, the list of outcomes after that point is directly and incontrovertibly affected by what he does after that point.

Rittenhouse wasn’t targeted for carrying an AR. He was targeted for running from the scene after shooting someone. No one chased him away from Rosenbaum’s body.

[Dr. Shades]

You’re convinced that he would have been killed, yet Groskreutz had a firearm, was right at Rittenhouse, and didn’t fire.

ONLY BECAUSE RITTENHOUSE WAS A SPLIT-SECOND QUICKER ON THE DRAW!

If you were an officer running after a felon, and he fell, and then aimed and fired at you, are you allowed to take defensive steps?

You're describing a situation in which the faller shoots first. In the real situation at hand, the pursuers attacked first. In other words, the faller held his fire until AFTER he was attacked.

Would you try to use your feet in motion to assist? At the point in time that this happened between Jump Kick Man and Rittenhouse, Rittenhouse had shot someone, and Jump Kick Man was only running after Rittenhouse.

UP UNTIL he kicked Rittenhouse in the face. It was only AFTER that that Rittenhouse fired on him.

I’ll go with you greatly exaggerating the impact of his presence, given that it didn’t stop someone from hectoring him.

People who are prevented from committing crimes nearly always hector. Why would this situation be any different?

Hell, even the dumpsters kept burning.

No they didn't. They were put out.

Running away from a mob = "roaming the streets?"

Hey, you want to focus on all the moments that look good to you, but you're not fooling anyone here. Between you and Binger, I am to understand that the only things Kyle did in Kenosha were guard a dealership, run from the "mob," and do a lot of community service.

Anything else that might look less flattering just never happened. Between the events you Kyle defenders mention, Kyle just blipped between worm holes or something.

In that case, please educate me: What else that might look less flattering happened that wasn't caught on camera? I'm serious.

[canpakes]

Where rioter-apologists fail in their reasoning was that KR was running toward the cops. If the rioters were going to detain him and hand him over to the cops, why would they stop KR from getting to the cops? They should’ve just talked to the cops, pointed to KR, and stated KR just got done shooting a man dead.

Two possibilities there. One would be that folks running after Rittenhouse may have been more focused on him rather than the police line, versus Rittenhouse being primarily focused on reaching the police line. That makes sense given that the crowd became agitated when Rittenhouse was departing Rosenbaum, much further back.

The other thought is that folks may have figured that if not stopped, Rittenhouse might just get away regardless. Indeed, officers let him stroll right by them after he reached the line, without stopping him. At least one video shows that.

Just conjecturin’ on your conjecturin’.

[Kishkumen]

In that case, please educate me: What else that might look less flattering happened that wasn't caught on camera? I'm serious.

Such as Kyle's voluntary departure from the car dealership to patrol the streets with Ryan Balch, the white supremacist vet, who disavowed the boogaloo boys publicly only after he was found out.

[canpakes]

If you were an officer running after a felon, and he fell, and then aimed and fired at you, are you allowed to take defensive steps?

You're describing a situation in which the faller shoots first.

My mistake in word order. What if he fell, and then aimed at you, are you allowed to take defensive steps?

[K Graham]

Well for me... if someone points a rifle at me or any of my family members, I will retaliate physically as soon as I had an opening. I wouldn't kill him, probably just break his trigger finger.

OH!! MY!! GODDDDDDDD!!. I can tell from this post that you've never been in a tough situation in your life, powder puff. You probably get stressed out trying to figure out what color underwear you're going to wear for the week!

In all honesty! You would probably be able to take the rifle from the guy because he would be dying from laughter from watching you disarm him.

If you weren't such a beta I could show you exactly how it works. I mean, even for someone with zero experience as any kind of man, you'd have to be reaallly dumb to think that having a big ass rifle strapped around your body doesn't in any way put you at a disadvantage in hand to hand combat.

[K Graham]

In that case, please educate me: What else that might look less flattering happened that wasn't caught on camera? I'm serious.

Such as Kyle's voluntary departure from the car dealership to patrol the streets with Ryan Balch, the white supremacist vet, who disavowed the boogaloo boys publicly only after he was found out.

I didn't know that.

[Dr. Shades]

Nope. He was in the act of flanking Rittenhouse as he pulled the gun on him again. The only reason he didn't pump Rittenhouse full of lead was because Rittenhouse was a split second quicker on the draw. Grosskreutz posted to his Twitter account soon after the incident that his only regret was not emptying his magazine into Rittenhouse.

Sure he did; the thought was probably foremost in his mind as he struggled to type into his phone while missing a bicep.

OOPS! I misremembered. It was his roommate that posted the words that he supposedly heard Grosskreutz say verbally. As I searched for a link to the story, I found another one wherein the roommate later testified on the stand that he made it all up. LINK

Regardless, that speaks to mindset at the time. He didn’t empty his magazine into Rittenhouse.

Like I said, it was only because Rittenhouse was a split-second quicker on the draw.

[Kishkumen]

I didn't know that.

Balch made incongruous statements to Hatewatch while seeking to distance himself from far-right extremism. He said that his posts were made at a time when he sought to “infiltrate” the white supremacist friendly “alt-right” movement. Hatewatch asked Balch to explain the motivations behind his infiltration effort, and he sent screenshots posted from a Facebook account called “Alt Right Autismos on Parade” that mocked Nazism. Hatewatch was unable to verify a direct connection between that account and Balch, and he declined to provide any evidence after being asked. The screenshots he sent were also dated in July 2016, roughly half a year before he retweeted Spencer. When asked why he used his own name on his supposedly satirical Twitter account, Balch said he created it at a time when that company disallowed people from using pseudonyms. Twitter, however, has never held the policy he described. Balch also acknowledged having made “past endorsements of national socialism and racism” in a Facebook post he published Sept. 2.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/202 ... articipant
Rittenhouse with Balch: