The Church falls on its face with latest essay about women in the Church

[MG 2.0]

Back to the topic, and the reddit thread discussing Dennis' talk:

Sister Dennis makes some obviously untrue statements in an attempt to convince (herself?) that she’s important in the Church. She isn’t. She’s window dressing. She’s a PR front for the men in charge, whether Dennis realises it or not. She’s exacerbating the problem, and delaying the solution, by seeking to falsely portray the Church as a place of equality.

One man's opinion. A man with a possible ax to grind.

Are you married to a woman? Things going well, if so?

If you'd rather not answer (you most often don't answer questions, just ask), that's fine.

But again, one man's opinion without any evidence.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Back to the topic, and the reddit thread discussing Dennis' talk:

Sister Dennis makes some obviously untrue statements in an attempt to convince (herself?) that she’s important in the Church. She isn’t. She’s window dressing. She’s a PR front for the men in charge, whether Dennis realises it or not. She’s exacerbating the problem, and delaying the solution, by seeking to falsely portray the Church as a place of equality.

Yes, especially to the PR front part. I'm guessing that's what occupies 90 or so % of the time of the 3-7 women "in Leadership."

[I Have Questions]

Sister Dennis makes some obviously untrue statements in an attempt to convince (herself?) that she’s important in the Church. She isn’t. She’s window dressing. She’s a PR front for the men in charge, whether Dennis realises it or not. She’s exacerbating the problem, and delaying the solution, by seeking to falsely portray the Church as a place of equality.

One man's opinion.

You're wrong. Jana Riess holds a similar opinion (she’s a woman). As do lots of female members. There’s a reason men now outnumber women in the pews (that’s a statistical fact, not an opinion). Less than 10% of General Conference content was delivered by a woman. Also a fact. How many women are in the Q12, First Presidency, and Presiding Bishopric? None. How many women are in the quorums of the seventy? None. How many women are on Area Presidencies? None. How many women are on Stake Presidencies anywhere in the world? None. That’s not my opinion, those are facts.

[MG 2.0]

One man's opinion.

You're wrong. Jana Riess holds a similar opinion (she’s a woman). As do lots of female members. There’s a reason men now outnumber women in the pews (that’s a statistical fact, not an opinion). Less than 10% of General Conference content was delivered by a woman. Also a fact. How many women are in the Q12, First Presidency, and Presiding Bishopric? None. How many women are in the quorums of the seventy? None. How many women are on Area Presidencies? None. How many women are on Stake Presidencies anywhere in the world? None. That’s not my opinion, those are facts.

There is a reason for that of course. A good one. And you know what it is. Priesthood authority. Although again, as has been said repeatedly, women can exercise priesthood power.

As it is, women...as has been demonstrated/shown...have much influence in the church, in their homes, and in their communities.

If women are struggling in their testimonies of the restoration of the gospel I think it is due to other influences, not primarily the fact that men hold priesthood authority. The roots may go much deeper.

Of course Jana Reiss, yourself, and others can have various and sincere opinions about the matter. That's fine.

As I said earlier, active and believing women in the church with testimonies of Jesus Christ are actively serving and have great influence on others.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

One man's opinion.

You're wrong. Jana Riess holds a similar opinion (she’s a woman). As do lots of female members. There’s a reason men now outnumber women in the pews (that’s a statistical fact, not an opinion). Less than 10% of General Conference content was delivered by a woman. Also a fact. How many women are in the Q12, First Presidency, and Presiding Bishopric? None. How many women are in the quorums of the seventy? None. How many women are on Area Presidencies? None. How many women are on Stake Presidencies anywhere in the world? None. That’s not my opinion, those are facts.

Your facts are exactly what makes the essay quoted in the op so disingenuous.

Members of the Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary General Presidencies serve together with members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and other General Authorities to serve God and His children. Women serve on many of the highest governing councils and committees in the Church. These include the Priesthood and Family Executive Council, the Missionary Executive Council, the Temple and Family History Executive Council, the Church Communication Committee, the Church Board of Education Executive Committee, and the Correlation Executive Committee, which oversee many significant aspects of the Church’s global work. The Relief Society General Presidency also serves with the Presiding Bishopric of the Church on the Welfare and Self-Reliance Executive Committee to address humanitarian needs around the world.

Note the part I highlighted, it's very, very carefully worded. It seems to indicate that the "many" committees women serve on were the seven committees listed after the words "these include". But, it doesn't.

No women serve with the quorum of the 12 and the first presidency on the correlation committee, which is the actual governing body of the LDS church.

Just a little more disingenuousness and facetiousness from the LDS church.

[I Have Questions]

A 12 year old boy has the authority to pass the sacrament. No woman, regardless of age, can do the same.
A 16 years old boy has the authority to bless the sacrament. No woman, regardless of age, can do the same.
An over 18 male has the authority to ordain people, can bless a child, can bless a sick person, can serve on the Bishopric. No woman can.
Men can hold conferences without any woman being present. For women to hold conferences, a man has to be present.
If a Relief Society President wants to appoint someone to a position of her counsellor, a man has to do it for her.

The idea that a woman “exercises” priesthood power, is mealy mouthed sleight of hand. It’s dishonest “spin” designed to keep those uppety women quiet and to portray to the world the misleading notion that there’s equality in the Church. There ain’t. Anyone that tries to out forward that notion is either being deliberately dishonest, or they are gullible.

[MG 2.0]

A 12 year old boy has the authority to pass the sacrament. No woman, regardless of age, can do the same.
A 16 years old boy has the authority to bless the sacrament. No woman, regardless of age, can do the same.
An over 18 male has the authority to ordain people, can bless a child, can bless a sick person, can serve on the Bishopric. No woman can.
Men can hold conferences without any woman being present. For women to hold conferences, a man has to be present.
If a Relief Society President wants to appoint someone to a position of her counsellor, a man has to do it for her.

The idea that a woman “exercises” priesthood power, is mealy mouthed sleight of hand. It’s dishonest “spin” designed to keep those uppety women quiet and to portray to the world the misleading notion that there’s equality in the Church. There ain’t. Anyone that tries to out forward that notion is either being deliberately dishonest, or they are gullible.

That men and women have different/unique talents and abilities seems to be an idea that has a bad taste in the mouths of those that have come up through the last few decades.

Want to have and deliver a baby, IHQ? You can't. We're not the same as women. No matter how much gender dysphoria you can work up, it ain't gonna happen.

Women can do things men can't. Admit it.

Regards,
MG

[sock puppet]

A 12 year old boy has the authority to pass the sacrament. No woman, regardless of age, can do the same.
A 16 years old boy has the authority to bless the sacrament. No woman, regardless of age, can do the same.
An over 18 male has the authority to ordain people, can bless a child, can bless a sick person, can serve on the Bishopric. No woman can.
Men can hold conferences without any woman being present. For women to hold conferences, a man has to be present.
If a Relief Society President wants to appoint someone to a position of her counsellor, a man has to do it for her.

The idea that a woman “exercises” priesthood power, is mealy mouthed sleight of hand. It’s dishonest “spin” designed to keep those uppety women quiet and to portray to the world the misleading notion that there’s equality in the Church. There ain’t. Anyone that tries to out forward that notion is either being deliberately dishonest, or they are gullible.

That men and women have different/unique talents and abilities seems to be an idea that has a bad taste in the mouths of those that have come up through the last few decades.

Want to have and deliver a baby, IHQ? You can't. We're not the same as women. No matter how much gender dysphoria you can work up, it ain't gonna happen.

Women can do things men can't. Admit it.

Regards,
MG

So Elohim is so jealous that women can give birth and He cannot, He imposes a patriarchy? What a mensch that Elohim is.

[MG 2.0]

That men and women have different/unique talents and abilities seems to be an idea that has a bad taste in the mouths of those that have come up through the last few decades.

Want to have and deliver a baby, IHQ? You can't. We're not the same as women. No matter how much gender dysphoria you can work up, it ain't gonna happen.

Women can do things men can't. Admit it.

Regards,
MG

So Elohim is so jealous that women can give birth and He cannot, He imposes a patriarchy? What a mensch that Elohim is.

Umm...that's not what I said. Go back and read for comprehension.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

That men and women have different/unique talents and abilities seems to be an idea that has a bad taste in the mouths of those that have come up through the last few decades.

Want to have and deliver a baby, IHQ? You can't. We're not the same as women. No matter how much gender dysphoria you can work up, it ain't gonna happen.

Women can do things men can't. Admit it.

Regards,
MG

So Elohim is so jealous that women can give birth and He cannot, He imposes a patriarchy? What a mensch that Elohim is.

sounds like a scene from the Good Omens series.